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Bai B Nai

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Ha ha, how 'bout this sticker:
"How's my Flying: 1-800-EAT-S***"


AA pilot pastes bumper sticker on plane, loses a month's pay



Trebor Banstetter
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An American Airlines pilot has been docked a month of pay — worth about $12,000 — for pasting a small sticker on his MD-80 aircraft that was critical of executive bonuses at the airline.The pilot, who is based at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport, had placed the sticker in May on the exterior of the airplane, over a logo for American’s “oneworld” airline alliance. According to officials with American’s pilots’ union, he was frustrated by comments made by Jeff Brundage, the company’s vice president of human resources.
After an investigation, the Fort Worth-based airline recently decided to suspend him without pay for 30 days.
“We think that this punishment is extreme,” said Michael Leone, an American pilot who is vice-chairman of the D/FW chapter of the Allied Pilots Association.
“No reasonable person would even consider placing such a financial hardship on one of our pilots and their families” for a minor infraction of company policy, Leone told union members in a memo. “The punishment clearly does not fit the crime.”
Sue Gordon, an American spokeswoman, said the carrier typically does not comment on individual employee matters. But she said American followed its normal procedures in the case.
“We’re simply following the steps that are outlined in our collective bargaining agreement,” she said.
The sticker was a violation of Federal Aviation Administration rules, according to the airline. It was unclear exactly which comments from Brundage upset the pilot. But many employees were incensed when he told the Star-Telegram that “if they want to make what executives make, then they need to become executives.” Those comments came after pilots had marched at the airline’s headquarters.
According to the union, the pilot apologized to airline management and said it would not happen again.
“But that wasn’t good enough for management in this outfit,” Leone said in his memo, and added that he believed the airline is making an example of the pilot to quell criticism.
The case is the latest flare-up between American’s management and its employees over the bonuses, which paid about $160 million in company stock to about 800 top executives and managers in April. Employees have complained that they continue to work under reduced wages and benefits whiles executives enjoy the lucrative bonuses.
In April, hundreds of American employees marched at the company’s headquarters and at airports nationwide to protest the bonuses.
It was unclear exactly what the sticker said, but American employees have sported stickers and patches at union events that read “PUP OFF” and “PUP YOU.” That refers to the “performance unit plan,” the original name of the executive bonus plan.
The union has asked members to donate to a fund on behalf of the pilot, and so far has raised $1,100.
Last week, AMR Corp., American’s parent, reported a second-quarter profit of $317 million. It’s shares closed at $28.59 per share, up more than 7 percent, in trading Monday.
Online: For more airline coverage, check out Sky Talk, the Star-Telegram’s aviation and travel blog, under Blogs/Chat at www.star-telegram.com.
Trebor Banstetter, 817-390-7064

 
Funny--supposedly there's enough "unapproved placards" in the cockpits (in reference to St. Louis and Supp CC) that make AA a hostile work environment. Nobody's been suspended for that.

stlflyguy
 
Only $1,100 on the pilot's behalf? They can do better than that. When CAL had a pilot get a 30 day vacation for a a BS reason, CAL pilots raise over $10k in just a few days, without the union asking for it.

Kudos to the AMR pilot.. I'd like to know what the bumper sticker said... :)
 
When CAL had a pilot get a 30 day vacation for a a BS reason, CAL pilots raise over $10k in just a few days, without the union asking for it.

Does anyone know if that pilot ever got fully exonerated (IRO F/C rest seat issue)?
 
The sad fact is Mr. Brundage was formerly a J-32 Captain and MEC Chairman of ACA. He then went to ALPA national as the "Regional Coordinator" under Randy Babbit. When Dwayne Worth took over, that position was eliminated. Jeff then surfaced at American.

He was an excellent MEC chair, but now seems to have forgotten his roots.
 
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When CAL had a pilot get a 30 day vacation for a a BS reason, CAL pilots raise over $10k in just a few days, without the union asking for it.

Does anyone know if that pilot ever got fully exonerated (IRO F/C rest seat issue)?



Had him on the js about 3 months after it happened, and said he got everything back.
 
Only $1,100 on the pilot's behalf? They can do better than that. When CAL had a pilot get a 30 day vacation for a a BS reason, CAL pilots raise over $10k in just a few days, without the union asking for it.

Kudos to the AMR pilot.. I'd like to know what the bumper sticker said... :)

It said, "ACA pilots rock!" :pimp:

Probably was one of those "PUP Bucks" dollar stickers with Hetterman's or Brundage's face on it. We'll raise a lot more than $1100, it's just getting started.

Regarding STL/Supp CC stickers, stlflyguy, I have yet to see one.

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The sad fact is Mr. Brundage was formerly a J-32 Captain and MEC Chairman of ACA. He then went to ALPA national as the "Regional Coordinator" under Randy Babbit. When Dwayne Worth took over, that position was eliminated. Jeff then surfaced at American.

He was an excellent MEC chair, but now seems to have forgotten his roots.

ALPA cool aid drinkers suck!
 
"The sticker was a violation of Federal Aviation Administration rules, according to the airline."

Exactly what FAA rule was violated? Anyone?
 
The sticker was a violation of Federal Aviation Administration rules, according to the airline.

What FAR would this be? If you can paint an orca whale on an airplane, I think you can put whatever bumperstickers you feel like, as long as they aren't covering up a placard or on a control surface.
 
Most of the anti STL/Supp CC stickers are supposedly on the 757s....

stlflyguy
 
Holy shiite! Seriously?

That's even worse than just coming from non-pilot ranks. Let's have a blanket party!

Yes, seriously. I was the chief pilot of ACA back then. He was a pleasure to work with in those days.

Funny thing, I'm back to line flying and he's not. But then again, I can leave my flight bag in the crew room without it being messed with. I don't think he can leave his briefcase in the AA crew room and say the same.
 
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Yes, seriously. I was the chief pilot of ACA back then. He was a pleasure to work with in those days.

I would believe this sentence speaks volumes about Brundage's loyalty. I don't believe I have ever heard a MEC Chairman described this way before. :rolleyes:
 
What FAR would this be? If you can paint an orca whale on an airplane, I think you can put whatever bumperstickers you feel like, as long as they aren't covering up a placard or on a control surface.

This is true. I routinely put "How's My Driving...Call 800-EAT-S**T" bumber stickers on the tail when I do walk-arounds.
 
Yes, seriously. I was the chief pilot of ACA back then. He was a pleasure to work with in those days.

Funny thing, I'm back to line flying and he's not. But then again, I can leave my flight bag in the crew room without it being messed with. I don't think he can leave his briefcase in the AA crew room and say the same.

The thing about Jeff B, is you want him on your side.

Whoever is paying his check will win, whether it be ALPA or AMR. He was on my side (along with Ralph), and I won my battle.

Thanks Ralph ;)

...after thinking about this, Ralph wasnt on my side at the time of the event, but he changed to my side during the hearing. ,iIii
 
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The thing about Jeff B, is you want him on your side.

Whoever is paying his check will win, whether it be ALPA or AMR. He was on my side (along with Ralph), and I won my battle.

Thanks Ralph ;)

...after thinking about this, Ralph wasnt on my side at the time of the event, but he changed to my side during the hearing. ,iIii

That's one thing I found about almost all ACA chief pilots....they would stick with their line pilots, even after the flyI kool-aid was served.
 
It just goes to show how inept AMR exec mgmt is at employee relations when their own VP of HR makes such a comment. In today's environment of hyper-sensitivity to any additional costs, these kinds of comments are downright foolish when fired across the bow of labor. Pilots are the asset managers. One crew can quite easily hang their lic on the line just a bit to help the company, thereby saving thouands of dollars on one flight. Or they can simply do no favors at all and cost the company $50,000+ when given the opportunity to do so during some sort of irregular ops event.

Comments like the ones Brundage gave will literally cost the company millions of dollars a year in digressed pilot moral. Fkng idiots. They don't teach that in business school.

That shareholders and Wall Street fail to learn this key element to running an air carrier is yet another reason why I have no sympathy for anyone who loses money investing in airlines. With 8000 plus publicly-traded companies to chose from, one has to be a fool to play the airline game if the desire is to actually make money.

For the sake of labor, I hope the AA pilot swiftly make this guy whole again financially. I'm sure they will.
 
I guess what I was trying so poorly to say is back at ACA Jeff was capable of working cooperatively and constructively with everyone to make it a better place. Sure we had to agree to disagree at times, but that didn't get in the way of working together on safety and QOL issues.

It is very disappointing to hear this comment from him. He is a quick thinker and very sharp, much better that this "bite me" kind of retort. He is in a position to make a positive influence over there. Too bad that hasn't happened.

skiandsurf: There was nothing in the play book to prevent the CP & MEC from discussing a case and prearranging an outcome, then marching the accused through a scripted hearing. Not saying that happened in your situation, but if the accused has his attention adjusted while being protected from serious job action everyone is happy. I'm glad to have been of service. Those were fun times, and I hope you are doing well.
 
A "talking to" should have been the worst that happened to this guy. It would have gone something like this: "Mr. Pilot, what if everyone put their favorite protest sticker on the airplanes; "Save the Whales", Bomb Iran, Cut taxes, Bush Sux", Gay Pride, etc. Do you see where this could go? "Don't do that again!"

However, having said that, AA was not out of line with the punishment. "Firing", would not have been out of line. After all, he did vandalize the company's property.

I hope AA realize the message has been sent and rescind the fine. But pilots must understand that they are just employees and can't just do whatever the fu*k they feel like.
 
Law of the jungle

In other news: An employee of the Bronx Zoo was mauled when he dropped his pants and mooned Koko the gorilla. Industry consultant Tarzan remarked: "Gorilla overreact, but man lack situational awareness." :rolleyes:
 
However, having said that, AA was not out of line with the punishment. "Firing", would not have been out of line. After all, he did vandalize the company's property.

Actually, yes, the company would have been out of line with that punishment, and I suspect that an arbitrator will find them to be out of line with this one also. The company is required to use "progressive discipline" in correcting an employee's actions. Remember, these are union workers, not "at-will" employees. The arbitrator will look at the case to see if AMR used progressive discipline in this case. If the pilot has recieved no discipline for similar cases in the past several years, then it's highly likely that the arbitrator will side with the APA.
 
It is very disappointing to hear this comment from him. He is a quick thinker and very sharp, much better that this "bite me" kind of retort. He is in a position to make a positive influence over there. Too bad that hasn't happened.

I wonder when "the change" actually takes place. I wonder if they do a Stepford Wife like transformation. Maybe they should make a movie called Stepford Executives. Whaddya all think?
 
Only $1,100 on the pilot's behalf? They can do better than that. When CAL had a pilot get a 30 day vacation for a a BS reason, CAL pilots raise over $10k in just a few days, without the union asking for it.

Kudos to the AMR pilot.. I'd like to know what the bumper sticker said... :)

No, you shouldn’t say Kudos to the pilot for violating company and FAA regs!

If it was wrong, then it shouldn’t have been done.

You’re so in to ‘union’ thing that you missed the point completely: Even the pilot him/herself apologized, but you’re still supporting her/him.
 
Now if we could just get management to understand they can't either.

Unfortunately, for you and others who think like you, that would NEVER happen! In the end the pilot group, union or not, would have to accept what the management would tell them to accept.

Remember, pilots provide service only!

Management/owners provide the means for us to have employment. Perhaps at times unfair, but never completely wrong is what management does. Because if they were ever 'completely' wrong, no one would work for them anyway.

You can sit all your life in that ‘union’ mentality, but in the end, you WILL do what the ‘management’ would want you to do.

They can live without you – hire other pilots – but without them, you won’t have a job!
 
It just goes to show how inept AMR exec mgmt is at employee relations when their own VP of HR makes such a comment. In today's environment of hyper-sensitivity to any additional costs, these kinds of comments are downright foolish when fired across the bow of labor. Pilots are the asset managers. One crew can quite easily hang their lic on the line just a bit to help the company, thereby saving thouands of dollars on one flight. Or they can simply do no favors at all and cost the company $50,000+ when given the opportunity to do so during some sort of irregular ops event.

Comments like the ones Brundage gave will literally cost the company millions of dollars a year in digressed pilot moral. Fkng idiots. They don't teach that in business school.

That shareholders and Wall Street fail to learn this key element to running an air carrier is yet another reason why I have no sympathy for anyone who loses money investing in airlines. With 8000 plus publicly-traded companies to chose from, one has to be a fool to play the airline game if the desire is to actually make money.

For the sake of labor, I hope the AA pilot swiftly make this guy whole again financially. I'm sure they will.


So, if you don’t have sympathy for people who invest in your airline, hence making it stronger and more profitable which results in pay increase for you and your fellows, why do you expect anyone else to sympathize with you when the airlines cut your pay and benefits.

Quite a strange comments from you I must say!
 

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