AA Pilot Busted for Impersonating Cop

[erichartmann]

Just what a freind told me when he finished training, he did not say itwould work 100% of the time. Question: These aren't the same tools that wear their uniforms to the bars to attract attention? Why else would you want to make your FFDO status known to others outside of the industry?

Actually we were told in no uncertain terms not to try it, if you do and get caught (the copy decides you deserve something more than just a speeding ticket for your efforts) you'll be in a lot of hot water.

 

[satpak77]

How Long's a Chinaman?

If you're not charged, it's neither... it's a warrantless arrest. That's why the popo's have to wait until the judge pulls up his panties on Monday morning and opens up the courthouse for business. Unless Monday is a holiday...then it's Tuesday. Do math...friday afternoon, subject arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor qwidgeybo or felony gawking with intent to mope...the cops aren't sure which one will stick, so they hope for the best.

Popo does the police report, popo takes the man down to photo-id for processing, popo takes the man over to county for secure detention until there can be a judicial review. Monday's a holiday and so the man sits until Tuesday afternoon...thats damb near 80 hours. Then, to top it off, when the judge sees the subject, he gets the man to make a plea agreement on the spot for the misdemeanor of qwidgeybo, if he pleads guilty and pays the 100.00 fine in week. Boom, done deal...next.

Or...the judge sees there's not enough evidence to bind the man over for trial and the man walks.

FN, all crimes are either felonies or misdeamenors, period. Whether the arrest is with warrant or not, is independent of whether it is a felony or not.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I've been told at training they are told how supposedly to get out of tickets and what not. It amost makes going to training worht while.

I've tried it and it doesn't work. Evidently showing your tits only works if you are female. imp:

 

[Occam's Razor]

An FFDO who is outside the cockpit remains an FFDO subject to the provisions of his SOP. He may not act as an FFDO outside the cockpit. He is a federal law enforcement officer who is outside of his jurisdiction, but must still act in accordance with the provisions of the SOP. I'm quite sure there are situations in which an FFDO could legally have his issue weapon in his possession in a post office or other facility in which he could not carry a personal weapon, but and this is key, he is not empowered to act i.e. use the weapon. I asked some very specific questions with examples during training.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

According to the "FFDO Legal Authority, Use of Force, and Liability" class we took, you are an FFDO all the time, but you may only exercise your authority while in a mission status, in the cockpit.

Pot bust at a college reunion? You were an FFDO arrested for pot, even though you weren't "on duty". You are double possum-f#$%#&!

DUI? Ditto. You get three government agencies worth of scrutiny for that one! (local, FAA, TSA)

You can carry your creds any dang time you choose, since they are a government-issued ID...but you must comply with the SOP if/when you decide to show them to somebody. Can you show them to the surly know-it-all clerk at the sporting goods store to buy ammo? Yup.

Can you use your H&K to shoot a burglar? Yup...but you ain't covered by ATSA (49 U.S.C. $114 (q)(3)).

Can you go deer hunting with it? Yup...since it's not prohibited. Again, no coverage by Uncle Sugar.

Can you use your creds to get out of a traffic ticket? NoyesWay! It's a matter of technique, not policy. "Officer I was speeding home to clean my government-issued USP after/before my requal at _________ (local cop range)." If he/she asks to see your badge...you are authorized to comply.

Naturally...some dorks will push the envelope. They "smooth out the curve" for the rest of us.

 

[FN FAL]

FN, all crimes are either felonies or misdeamenors, period. Whether the arrest is with warrant or not, is independent of whether it is a felony or not.

No kidding? Damb, you're good.

 

[FN FAL]

Don't know about the rest of the country, but in Texas you can hold a person for 72 hours without charges...

...or longer, it's not the cops fault that the request to charge form was sitting in the prosecutor's in basket all weekend long.

I know a married couple that spent Friday to Tuesday in the clink, the wife was released at the arraignment hearing on the Tuesday because of insufficient evidence. I think the husband plead and paid a simple fine at the arraignment hearing.

 

[boxesdontbitch]

the skinny

Okay, i actually know this guy. He and I were in the same guard unit (im retired) and still live in the same city. ..He was pulled over for a traffic violation and did try the ole "brother law enforcement" bit to dodge it. stupid, but not criminal. he did not claim he was a federl airmarshall but a part of the airmarshall program. trying to explain the FFDO program to someone who never heard of it. Then a couple of weeks later the feds show up to "just ask a few questions, to clear up this misunderstanding" Just a friendly chat, no need for a lawyer or anything. Next thing he knows hes indicted and the whole thing has literally become a federal case. Now he has a DA who wants a juicy career enhancing case (maybe get on FOX news!) and the feds with an axe to grind on FFDO's in general. So far American has told him that unless he is convicted they have no problem. The Air Guard though has grounded him and revoked security clearances until this is resolved. So if you are in the FFDO program, beware. You cannot dick around with this and skate by. Lots of confusion about your legal status as "law enforcement"

 

[Occam's Razor]

Okay, i actually know this guy. He and I were in the same guard unit (im retired) and still live in the same city. ..He was pulled over for a traffic violation and did try the ole "brother law enforcement" bit to dodge it. stupid, but not criminal. he did not claim he was a federl airmarshall but a part of the airmarshall program. trying to explain the FFDO program to someone who never heard of it. Then a couple of weeks later the feds show up to "just ask a few questions, to clear up this misunderstanding" Just a friendly chat, no need for a lawyer or anything. Next thing he knows hes indicted and the whole thing has literally become a federal case. Now he has a DA who wants a juicy career enhancing case (maybe get on FOX news!) and the feds with an axe to grind on FFDO's in general. So far American has told him that unless he is convicted they have no problem. The Air Guard though has grounded him and revoked security clearances until this is resolved. So if you are in the FFDO program, beware. You cannot dick around with this and skate by. Lots of confusion about your legal status as "law enforcement"

Good gouge, and an important safety tip!

The extra scrutiny isn't exclusively for FFDO's. Even if you aren't in uniform, don't have your pilot's license with you, and you are not actually flying an airplane...get a DUI and the FAA will make your life more interesting.

We're "special"!

 

[skiandsurf]

Good gouge, and an important safety tip!

The extra scrutiny isn't exclusively for FFDO's. Even if you aren't in uniform, don't have your pilot's license with you, and you are not actually flying an airplane...get a DUI and the FAA will make your life more interesting.

We're "special"!

This is why I never went thru the program. Its all for show, with no support.

I do know an FFDO, and he does use the badge to get his family into Disneyland and knotts Berry Farm for free on "Police day". Was also with him at a "pay parking" garage. He flashed the badge and asked the guy "if they give free parking to law enforcement officers?" The guy let us drive out without paying. Keep in mind that he was "impressing" 20 year old kids, not cops.

 

[Occam's Razor]

This is why I never went thru the program. Its all for show, with no support.

The "show" for NOT going through the program is the "shoe dance and laptop screen" by the white shirts at the airport. I enjoy watching it as I sign in and get in front of you at Starbucks on the other side.

I do know an FFDO,

Me too! He sleeps with my wife!

...and he does use the badge to get his family into Disneyland and knotts Berry Farm for free on "Police day". Was also with him at a "pay parking" garage. He flashed the badge and asked the guy "if they give free parking to law enforcement officers?" The guy let us drive out without paying. Keep in mind that he was "impressing" 20 year old kids, not cops.

It's all in the technique.

I actually used my status as a captain to do something special once. We were on a cruise in the Caribbean, and I took the tour of the bridge. The captain was on duty at the time, and I explained to him that I was a captain too. He actually set me steer the ship! It was kinda creepy sitting on his lap, but other than that, it was fun.

 

[ReverseSensing]

NoyesWay! It's a matter of technique, not policy.

The words are Occam's, but the voice I hear the words in belong to my wife. :0

 

[AceCrackshot]

Okay, i actually know this guy. He and I were in the same guard unit (im retired) and still live in the same city. ..He was pulled over for a traffic violation and did try the ole "brother law enforcement" bit to dodge it. stupid, but not criminal. he did not claim he was a federl airmarshall but a part of the airmarshall program. trying to explain the FFDO program to someone who never heard of it. Then a couple of weeks later the feds show up to "just ask a few questions, to clear up this misunderstanding" Just a friendly chat, no need for a lawyer or anything. Next thing he knows hes indicted and the whole thing has literally become a federal case. Now he has a DA who wants a juicy career enhancing case (maybe get on FOX news!) and the feds with an axe to grind on FFDO's in general. So far American has told him that unless he is convicted they have no problem. The Air Guard though has grounded him and revoked security clearances until this is resolved. So if you are in the FFDO program, beware. You cannot dick around with this and skate by. Lots of confusion about your legal status as "law enforcement"

Lessons learned:
There is no such thing as a "friendly chat" with a .gov lawyer. Always lawyer up.

A portion of fed cops are screaming d1cks. How about going after a real violent criminal, chief? There are one or two around. Instead, we'll go after the slam-dunk on Joe Private Citizen who happens to be a former .mil officer. What a joke.

Unnecessary ad hominums deleted.

 

[frog_flyer]

few more:

"i dont have my license bc the bar took it when i refused to give them my keys"

cop: how much have you had tonight??
you: "not enough to keep me from cringing at the sight of your wife!!"

female cop: "how much you had tonight?"
you: "too much; cause you're lookin good right now"

this is as good as i can do whilst sippin on tecate with lime watchin the masters

 

[Uppercrust]

When did say screw anybody? If they are abusing the FFDO status, they should lose it. I didn't say PROSECUTE them.
If they are using credentials solely to avoid taking off their shoes and aren't carrying the weapon, they don't deserve the privilege.
I happen to believe that when you raise your right hand and take an oath, it means something.

No offense seriously.. I just don't think it is any of our business nor do I CARE IF THEY GET AROUND SECURITY. Taking off their shoes is not a requirement to get on an aircraft. How about MX personel... how do they get on the ramp??

Also, taking an oath has nothing do with with not carrying your weapon and bypassing security. Sorry, I just don't agree.

 

[FN FAL]

Then a couple of weeks later the feds show up to "just ask a few questions, to clear up this misunderstanding" Just a friendly chat, no need for a lawyer or anything. Next thing he knows hes indicted and the whole thing has literally become a federal case.

"Friendly chat"?

Priceless.