AA/JB advancing their partnership?

[J32driver]

Is this agreement going to be any different than the one AA has with AS? I heard AS derives about 90 million a year from their agreement.

Oh, no doubt it would be an economic win for both AA and JetBlue. As a manager, I'd want this in a REAL BAD way.

The problem is that economic win comes at a long term loss for both pilot groups. AA loses domestic growth that it needs to get its furloughs off the street or provide growth for Eagle. JetBlue pilots lose what little shot we had at larger aircraft in the future. No need to grow the fleet or add pilots when we can just hand our customers off to another airline to take them around the world.

 

[Jetjockey]

I can't believe, in 80 years of operations and farmed out to wholly owned codeshares that AA pilots have no contractual protection from this sort of thing.

Maybe you guys think as slowly as you taxi.

Gup

Everyone taxis slow when you are rolling down the taxiway at V2.

 

[superatr]

Bull...

You forgot the other 2 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds.

...and the arbitrator is given guard rails in which the terms of a potential code share are granted. Once UAL or DAL start to code share with A320 providers then AMR can submit to the arbitrator and make the case that it is allowed under your so called "unlimited' provision.

The process is a peer averaging the competition (now only DAL and UAL) and the granting of scope relaxation for non-feed or commuter operations.

Once UAL outsources A320 to SkyWest then AMR can approach APA and if APA tell AMR to go FIS then AMR can submit to the arbitrator its case.

Hmmm, here's the contract language. It seems that, at the end of the day, APA will have an industry average domestic code share agreement. This was one of the undervalued give-aways of the 2003 we're going into bankruptcy if you don't sign this agreement.
My read (and I hope that I'm wrong) is that AA can use Domestic Codeshare along any route except for flights between ORD, DFW, MIA and STL. The arbitrator will tell the parties at the end of a very short process what the agreement will be. Given the pro-business slant of the arbitration process, I don't see how this will be good for the pilots.

I'd like to see a good layman's read of how domestic code share agreement applies to Jet Blue and their EMB190 fleet. Is the company up to something?

Scope Exception: Domestic Air Carriers Other Than Commuter Carriers

The Company may place its current or future designator code, and/or any designator code that the Company directly or indirectly controls, on a Domestic Air Carrier that is not a Commuter Air Carrier as specified below:

The Company shall notify the Association at least 30 days in advance of beginning to codeshare with a Domestic Air Carrier that is not a Commuter Air Carrier.

The Company and the Association will discuss the proposed domestic codesharing agreement for a period of 30 days after the notice in order to reach an agreement that will allow the implementation of the codeshare agreement. The parties do not intend these discussions to encompass subjects unrelated to the implementation of the codesharing agreement.

The parties will engage a mediator/interest-arbitrator to facilitate their discussions. The mediator/arbitrator will be selected by agreement from a list of interest arbitrators knowledgeable about Scope provisions in pilot collective bargaining agreements. If the parties have not reached agreement within the 30 day period, the mediator/arbitrator will resolve the outstanding issues by issuing an award within 10 days after the conclusion of the 30 days period. Any domestic codesharing agreement that the Company enters into before the issuance of the award, or the reaching of an agreement, shall not require the Company to place its code, or any code that it directly or indirectly controls, on flying by the Domestic Air Carrier.

In forming the award, the arbitrator will utilize the terms of the then-existing domestic codeshare agreements among domestic air carriers and the provisions of then-existing collective bargaining agreements for pilots at United, Delta, Northwest, Continental and USAirways airlines that are relevant to domestic codesharing. The Arbitrator will apply those agreements to establish an industry standard domestic codeshare agreement for the period of that agreement that is fair to the pilots.

The subjects to be considered by the parties and submitted to the arbitrator, if agreement cannot be reached, shall include, but not be limited to:

Procedures for reciprocal codesharing;

Terms of codesharing on flights between and from the Company’s and the Domestic Air Carrier’s hubs and focus cities;

Conditions for codesharing on flying in overlapping markets;

Conditions for blocked space arrangements;

Code sharing on International Flying;

Codesharing on regional jet flying by the Domestic Air Carrier’s associated regional airlines and commuter carriers, if any;

Block hour limitations;

Joint marketing limitations;

Adequate protections for existing AA flying;

The mutual benefits to the Company and the American Airlines pilots.

The interest arbitration will be pursuant to the Railway Labor Act.

The interest arbitrator will retain jurisdiction to resolve questions and disputes about the implementation of his award.

Section 1.C.1.b. (2), concerning Comprehensive Marketing Agreements, shall no longer be effective upon the implementation of a domestic codesharing agreement under this Section pursuant to either an arbitrator’s award or agreement with the Association.

continued...

 

[superatr]

part 2

Alaska Code Share Agreement

The Company may place its current or future designator code, and/or any designator code that the Company directly or indirectly controls, on Alaska Airlines and its affiliates (“Alaska”) under the following conditions:

1. The Company will codeshare only on those Alaska flights specified in the AMERICAN AIRLINES – ALASKA AIRLINES Partnership Term Sheet # 11 (“Term Sheet”): Sections 2.1.1 (a), 2.1.3 (excluding any AA hub1 to AA hub flying), and 2.1.4, and on such additional Non Overlapping Services2 as the Company and Alaska mutually agree to specify pursuant to Section 2.1.1(a)(iii) of the Term Sheet.

2. The Company will not place its code on any Alaska service to the Hawaiian Islands, unless American and the APA agree otherwise.

3. The Company will provide the Association the final, executed copy of the Codeshare Agreement with Alaska Airlines, along with the Procedures Manual, Codeshare Settlement and Special Prorate Agreements within seven days of execution. The Company will similarly provide the APA within seven days of execution any revisions, amendments or newly executed copies of any of the above agreements, except for changes to the Procedures Manual which shall be reviewed at the Quarterly Scope Meeting.

4. No Codeshare Agreement or associated agreement between the Company and Alaska shall materially differ, without the APA’s prior written concurrence, from the Term Sheet or associated documents as to:

a. the flights on which American can or must place its code,
b. the identities of the Parties,
c. the duration of the Agreement, or
d. the remuneration scheme, including but not limited to codeshare commissions for the placement of the Company code on Alaska, revenue prorates, and/or ticket handling fees.

5. The Company will allow the AA* code for local sale on Alaskan operated Overlapping Services only as follows:

a. There shall be the following AA and AS baseline frequencies3 in the indicated city pairs [based on DOS]. In addition, there shall be an AA plane mile baseline equal to the aggregate airplane daily miles corresponding to the AA baseline frequencies.

AA4 AS
LAX-SFO 7 1
LAX-SJD 1 3
SEA-BOS 1 1
ANC-ORD 1 seasonally 1
SEA-ORD 5 0
PDX-ORD 2 0
FAI-ORD 0 0
SEA-JFK 1 SEA-EWR 25

So long as the Company is scheduled to fly at least the AA plane mile baseline in the above city pairs, the Company may allow the AA* code for local sale on the AS baseline frequencies, plus one additional AS frequency in each city pair. For the SEA-ORD city pair, the Company may codeshare on the AS baseline frequency plus two (2) additional AS frequencies. For the ANC-ORD city pair, the Company may codeshare on the AS baseline frequency plus one additional year round frequency, and one additional peak season frequency.6

b. If the Company is scheduled to fly less than the AA plane mile baseline in any month, the Company:

i. may still codeshare as in “a.” above, so long as the Company pays appropriate apportionment pay that month to the appropriate AA domicile(s) in the city pair(s) in which it is flying less than the AA baseline frequencies;7 or

ii. may, in those city pairs in which it will be flying less than the AA baseline frequencies, allow the AA* code for local sale only on a number of AS frequencies equal to the AS baseline frequencies in that city pair less the number of frequencies it is below the AA baseline frequencies in that city pair.8

c. For each additional AS frequency on which the Company schedules its code beyond that allowed in “a.” above, the Company must add one AA frequency to the AA baseline frequencies in that city pair. The AA plane mile baseline shall be adjusted accordingly. Provision “b.” above shall be applied using these new AA plane mile and AA frequency baselines as long as the Company schedules its code on such additional AS frequency(ies).

6. American will not expand codesharing with Alaska during a lawful job action by the APA. Such prohibited expansion shall include, but not be limited to, increasing the number of frequencies or the size of aircraft9 on which American codeshares during the job action. American will not expand codesharing with Alaska during a lawful job action by the Alaska pilots. Such prohibited expansion shall include, but not be limited to, increasing the number of frequencies or the size of aircraft on which American carries the Alaska code as a result of diverted passenger flows during the job action.

7. The Company will investigate the procedures that the APA believes currently allow AS and NW to authorize reciprocal jumpseat privileges on each other’s aircraft. If it is legally possible to adopt procedures that allow AA pilots the same rights, the Company will implement such a reciprocal jumpseat agreement.

8. American will use best efforts to implement an enhanced interline employee travel program with Alaskan Airlines.

9. If the Company or an Affiliate purchases or otherwise acquires any equity securities, debt securities or other capital securities of Alaska, the APA will be notified thirty days before the close of the transaction, and will have the opportunity to re-open discussions on this agreement as a result of that material change in conditions. If the parties fail to reach agreement on additional protections against diverted flying and/or flying opportunities appropriate in light of the changed conditions within thirty days, then the parties shall submit the issue of additional protections to expedited interest arbitration.

10. The Company may conduct joint marketing with Alaska in support of the codeshare agreement. The Company shall nevertheless maintain a primary and separate operating and marketing identity.

11. The Company will not enter into any block space arrangements with Alaska (i.e., the advance purchase or reservation of blocks of seats on Alaska for resale by the Company), unless the APA agrees to such an arrangement.

12. This domestic codeshare agreement shall have a duration concurrent with the American-Alaska Codeshare Agreement. The parties knowingly and specifically waive their right to serve Section 6 notices concerning this agreed exception during the term of that Agreement.

13. This domestic codeshare agreement shall not be used, in whole or in part, as a precedent against the APA in any future proceeding over domestic codesharing as evidence of industry standard codesharing provisions. In the event that there are changes in the industry standard following the implementation of the AA – AS codesharing, AA agrees that any changes caused in whole or part by this Alaska Code Share Agreement should not be held against the APA in future codeshare Arbitration proceedings. Additionally, the future Arbitrator will not be permitted to award spoke to AA hub flying as a part of a future domestic codesharing arbitration.

1 AA hub means ORD, DFW, MIA or STL

 

[N1atEcon]

Everyone taxis slow when you are rolling down the taxiway at V2.

Come on, everyone knows it is V1 -20kts on a taxi way and V1 - 30 kts on the ramp.

 

[Offshore Racer]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6956631/

 

[FLYLOW22]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6956631/

The Blue exec has good dance moves.

 

[80drvr]

part 2

Alaska Code Share Agreement

1 AA hub means ORD, DFW, MIA or STL

AA hubs as defined by the APA/AA contract are: BOS, LGA, JFK, MIA, ORD, STL, DFW, SFO, LAX, & SJU.