AA denying non-cass pilots?

[OPECJet]

Just heard a rumor that AA is denying cabin seating to offline pilots who are don't fly for airlines that participate in CASS. Any truth to this?

 

[Cassive Mock]

It happened to one of our guys a couple of weeks ago.

 

[tie1on]

my suggestions are that you work hard to get on the cass system, it;s not personal that you are denied. The TSA makes the rules, so get cass authorized.

 

[OPECJet]

My airline is working on cass. Its not something that can be done overnight, or without the dollars.

In the meantime, jumpseat agreements are reciprocal agreements. If one of my guys gets denied an open cabin seat due to not being cass compliant, AA is not living up to their end of the reciprocal agreement. At least until it becomes a TSA requirement to be cass compliant, which is not the case at this time.

I haven't spread this around my company, but at some point it will become neccessary since some of my guys may depend on a ride from AA to get to work. The last thing I want is a jumpseat war, and I don't plan on starting one, but until cass is a TSA requirement for a cabin seat I see this as a first strike in starting one.

Is this something that came down from the company, or APA?

 

[CA1900]

my suggestions are that you work hard to get on the cass system.

My airline has told us they won't get us on CASS unless the pilot group pays for it, which is on the order of $60,000 to get set up. Divided by a small underpaid pilot group, that's a huge chunk of money.

 

[aa73]

My airline is working on cass. Its not something that can be done overnight, or without the dollars.

In the meantime, jumpseat agreements are reciprocal agreements. If one of my guys gets denied an open cabin seat due to not being cass compliant, AA is not living up to their end of the reciprocal agreement. At least until it becomes a TSA requirement to be cass compliant, which is not the case at this time.

I haven't spread this around my company, but at some point it will become neccessary since some of my guys may depend on a ride from AA to get to work. The last thing I want is a jumpseat war, and I don't plan on starting one, but until cass is a TSA requirement for a cabin seat I see this as a first strike in starting one.



Is this something that came down from the company, or APA?

OPEC,

Totally untrue. AA has always, and will always, accept non CASS pilots in the cabin.

Now, if some dipsh11t CA or agent who didn't know the rules is responsible for this, it's a different story.

 

[OPECJet]

Thank you. I was hoping to hear that.

We've got our fair share of dipsh1ts who don't know the rules as well.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

OPEC,

Totally untrue. AA has always, and will always, accept non CASS pilots in the cabin.

Now, if some dipsh11t CA or agent who didn't know the rules is responsible for this, it's a different story.

I'll second the motion.

If it happened to one of your guys, it was because of a freelancer who was "headinass" compliant.

If it occurs again, please send a note to the APA jumpseat committee.

 

[j41driver]

my suggestions are that you work hard to get on the cass system, it;s not personal that you are denied. The TSA makes the rules, so get cass authorized.

YGTBSM....we're talking about an open cabin seat here.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I read on the FedEx/Delta CASS/JS thread that the TSA will require a photo and passport (as in CASS) to JS by the end of 2006. Is that only to ride in the actual JS or also in the back?

Anybody have any info concerning making CASS mandatory to JS?

Cliff
GRB

 

[Flyer2000]

The photo requirement becomes effective in September of this year, and is mandatory to participate in CASS. However, I think there is some leeway to the requirement. For instance if you have gate B55 in DEN [for instance] as a photo only gate computer, you can get all CASS verification done there and send the pilot on to their flight with an authorization. Of course that scenerio is speculation at this point, but options are being looked at in this money crunching time for the airlines.

CASS is ONLY for cockpit access and should not impede any jumpseating for a cabin seat.

 

[Flyer2000]

entered twice by accident.

 

[tattoo13]

Starting to work on CASS for my company now...So far the cost is not even close to 60K but will let you know. Looking more like under 10K

 

[FedEx1]

The passport, CASS, and digital photo database ARE required for Fedex right now, for any jumpseat, cabin or cockpit. Just wanted to clarify. This is our management's requirement.