AA Assoc. signs away leverage in latest partial TA

[sleeves]

AA is losing 2 million a day and some pilots are more focused about flights to Amarillo than flights to Shanghai. Emirates is coming. Soon we'll find out the unintended consequences of fighting for scope on flying with little to no profit

No profit?? Someone keeps forgetting to tell SWA how unprofitable domestic flying is.

 

[nimtz]

AA is losing 2 million a day and some pilots are more focused about flights to Amarillo than flights to Shanghai. Emirates is coming. Soon we'll find out the unintended consequences of fighting for scope on flying with little to no profit

Always appreciate career lectures from Riddle Grads that pop wood at the thought of upgrading 6 months earlier.

 

[777forever]

No profit?? Someone keeps forgetting to tell SWA how unprofitable domestic flying is.

Now that SWA's fuel hedge advantage(advantage might be even too weak of a word to use) is gone they are now on the same level playing field with the legacies. In the next several years you will see much less stellar profits from them. We already saw a preview of that last quarter. UniCal and Delta beat SWA earnings badly.

International flying is much more profitable and provides more higher paying jobs than domestic flying. That is what the unions should be focused on. Not on Duluth, Minn while Emirates is ordering 50 777-300ERs in addition to their 100 A380s on order with plans to take over the world

 

[ironspud]

TWA dude says "There's no TA"

According to my sources you are misinformed. Apparently your negotiators are writing pieces of a signed TA with management as they go along. Now that scope and pay are being discussed your "negotiators" are lacking leverage because the previously signed agreements each with some small bit of leverage have been cleared away.

I'm curious dude, what happens to your TWA LEC reps if SLT is negotiated away? Don't the APA LEC reps all have to agree to your complete TA first? If this is so, if the company made a threat that they wanted to close SLT (or SanFran) could those same reps be compromised in some way, thereby creating willing LEC reps who might want to get a deal done in order to save their base?

Another drunk "Dollar Store" pilot.

 

[LearLove]

International flying is much more profitable and provides more higher paying jobs than domestic flying. That is what the unions should be focused on. Not on Duluth, Minn

OK then - but be prepared to sit in your RJ for the rest of your career because you will never see a major (let alone hold intl. at a major) if all the domestic flying is farmed out.

 

[BoilerUP]

To say the business model of Emirates is completely different from American Airlines would be a gross understatement.

Dumbass RJ pilot who obviously can't see the forest for the trees would be wise to look at a globe to help deduce why Emirates needs long-range widebodies.

 

[TWA Dude]

Apparently your negotiators are writing pieces of a signed TA with management as they go along.

That's a semantic argument. Either there's a TA or there isn't. Since there isn't all people are talking about is what they think/heard/guess is allegedly being discussed/agreed/signed. Such rumors are usually proven inaccurate and even if not a crappy enough TA will be voted down.

I'm curious dude, what happens to your TWA LEC reps if SLT is negotiated away?

There is no guaranteed ex-TWA representation anywhere, now or later.
As for SLT being negotiated away that's an enormously complicated issue with major DFR and other unintended consequences. Despite a few hotheaded nAAtives whining about how unfair Supp CC is to them the APA has no interest in altering it.

Don't the APA LEC reps all have to agree to your complete TA first? If this is so, if the company made a threat that they wanted to close SLT (or SanFran) could those same reps be compromised in some way, thereby creating willing LEC reps who might want to get a deal done in order to save their base?

I'm too lazy to delve into C&BLs but offhand I'd say only a majority of reps need to approve a TA before it can be sent for general vote. Someone else feel free to look this up.

 

[AA717driver]

No TA. Several "AIP's" (Agreements In Principle) which are sections of a completed TA.

Pay is nearly done. SCOPE is THE issue. It will be the final sticking point heading into Ch. 11, IMO.

AA has several hungry hubs to feed. ERJ's cannot do it profitably on the scale envisioned by AMR's ham fisted, myopic, bean-counting management. A mix of smaller mainline jets and Q400's would work. It will take awhile to put that in place so management wants to code share in the interim.

APA, rightly so, doesn't believe it's an interim solution. Hence, the impasse.

TC

 

[lookin4better]

Do NOT give in on scope!

 

[magrs]

So TC, what in your opinion will the pay look like?