AA announces recalls

[Starscream]

An arbitrator ruled 154 Eagle pilots are entiitled to flow up to AA and will be given seniority numbers after AA pilots currently on the seniority list. ie-They will be trained before newhires off the street.

Total number of Eagle pilots with AA numbers is roughly 530. Many unaswered questions there.........


a) will Eagle pilots be able to decline an AA class date, or will they be forced to flow? It wasn't much of an issue before 9/11, but now it's a hot topic. Company wants anyone with more than, say, 8-10 years seniority OUT yesterday.

b) would Eagle flowthrus have entire classes dedicated just to them, or will they be mixed with off-the-street newhires? Could be classes for all Eagle pilots if Eagle is fat on staffing and AA's monthly requirements while Eagle pilots flow isn't more than about 25-30/month.

It'll be a minimum until 6 months till we cross that road, IMHO.

 

[AA717driver]

Starscream--The way "I" read Sup. W is that flowthroughs will be forced to either flow or quit. I haven't read it for awhile but that's what I took from it.

I doubt there will be entire classes of flowthroughs since the intent is to provide for a certain number of flowthroughs proportioned to a certain number of new hires.

All IMO.

TC

 

[inthepool]

Is this news just for February, or will they be recalling for the foreseeable future?

Also, will this get all the remaining few flowbacks back to AA?

It's nice to hear some good news every now and again... Good luck on the contract AA guys.

 

[aa73]

Methinks this will be a repeat of 2007... i.e. start recalling slowly and then the momentum increases. At least I hope.

 

[Starscream]

Starscream--The way "I" read Sup. W is that flowthroughs will be forced to either flow or quit. I haven't read it for awhile but that's what I took from it.

I doubt there will be entire classes of flowthroughs since the intent is to provide for a certain number of flowthroughs proportioned to a certain number of new hires.

All IMO.

TC

As for being forced to flow, many at Eagle keep emphasizing the word "opportunity" and the absence of "obligation" in the language of L3/SW. They also feel as though they'd have a wrongful termination suit if fired for refusing to flow.

The way I see it, what is a flowthru going to do when he signs into DECS and the line AA LONG TERM TRNG 01DEC09 sits atop his HI10? Not show up? And when his DEC monthly bids are rejected by DECS??

It's no different than when someone accidently bids/gets awarded a new bid status, and then decides after the fact that he didn't want to go after all. Happened to someone who was setting up his disp bid, but was accidently entering them as his preference bid. He was ORD based, inadvertantly got himself awarded DFW, told crew resources "I don't want to go," they told him, "too bad, you bid it." This really isn't much different.

I'd imagine that if AMR gave them years of pay consistent with their AA OCNL seniority date +2 years (for when they would have flowed), I'd imagine most would still want to go, except maybe guys who live around DFW and realize they won't be able to hold it for some time. But pay is the biggest issue. I can understand fighting it if being forced to go from $120K/year to $35K/year.


As for the percentage of Eagle guys in an AA class, L3/SW said AT LEAST 50%, and there is really nothing to preclude up to 100% if AMR so desired to get as many senior guys out the door from Eagle as quickly as possible. However, staffing at Eagle will probably dictate less than 100%, unless the monthly attrition was no more than 40 Eagle captains due to Eagle's natural inability to trains as many pilots per month as AA (if, say AAs manning needs dictated 20-30 or so new bodies at AA per month then there's a good chance they'd all be from Eagle since they could handle that attrition).



Yeah, aa73, lets all hope February is just the beginning!

 

[lookin4better]

I am curious to see what the acceptance rate will be with all the TWAers.

Good luck either way.

Here is to hiring in 2011 or earlier ... cheers!

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

A small detail....

Good news for 2009! 24 recalls announced for Feb 11. Hey, it's a start. If there are no earlier deferrals accepting recalls, this would be 100% TWA recallees coming back. Welcome!

My guess is that the majority in the first class or two will be deferrals and then go down to the former TWA pilots.

Any other guesses???

 

[AvroGuy]

I am thinking recall rate will be higher since the demise of the industry, I wonder how many guys are on the street again from the demise/shutdown of another company?

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Methinks this will be a repeat of 2007... i.e. start recalling slowly and then the momentum increases. At least I hope.

I hate to temper everyone's excitement but I've also heard that they are offering (begging was actually the term used) for F/A's to take leaves.

 

[AA717driver]

Starscream--I know what you're saying but this IS AMR we're talking about. Save a buck, screw the employee. TC

 

[stlflyguy]

They've made it down the list at least twenty more names. So much for filling it with previous deferrals.

stlflyguy

 

[aa73]

I believe the TWA acceptance rate is somewhat higher than the Native rate, given that they come back at 12yr pay and a chance at holding a line in STL (if it's offered.)

Welcome back folks!

 

[gromgutten]

Can anyone tell me what the average age of the current AA pilots are?

 

[aa73]

about 47. Low of 33 and high of 61.

 

[AAflyer]

about 47. Low of 33 and high of 61.

AA73,

Being 37, does that make me below average


The "AA" Flyer