AA/AE one list

[Beantown]

I always thought that one of the main problems with "one" list at any major/regional airline was the military factor. That is the 10 year F16/C-130 pilot that would normally go into a MD80 or 737 at Amr. would now have to go into a Saab 340 or Erj. With these regional aircraft would come lower pay and less workrules. Amr. has a large % of pilots that are former military and I doubt they will ever allow a rule change that will hurt there friends and brothers. Just a thought. What do you think? -Bean

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Date of hire and A/C assignment

Bean:

Yes that is always a factor, however date of hire and aircraft assignment are two different things. At a major some are assigned to F/E or get a choice at an F/O position.

Example at AA some where hired as F/E or F/O to the F100, MD80 and even B767. It all depends on the needs of the company at date of hire after bid runs for line pilots, etc. At AE in 1994, I was hired to the SD3-60, while others after me were assigned the ATR.

In addition, AE is going to an all jet fleet in the future and it may not be as much of a factor with state-of-the-art equipment in the form of an RJ. CAL, in my opinion, had a better flow through. CAL still hired to mainline and the Express, but DOH dictates bid seniority. Some RJ Captains would remain in the RJ after their flow through date arrived and were paid an override. Each person uses their seniority in different ways, it is hard to quantify. The point being, there are mechanisms and ways of dealing with these issues.

RJ pay would most likely go up, especially for Captains that remain in seat, even if they could take an F/O position on the mainline. Furloughed F/Os would most likely take a pay cut to come back to an RJ, but may be able to make Captain sooner as more RJs are added to replace the older narrowbodies. I don't necessarily like this, just sharing some possibilities.

The point of one list would give the company greater flexibiliy in it's decisions to deploy and change aircraft on routes. In return, the pilot work rules and pay should improve for the pilots on smaller aircraft, but the mission of the RJ and a long-range widebody are different, so some things won't change.

Much has change from 10 years ago, new ideas and ways of doing business are bound to come into play.

Jeff

 

[Publishers]

Not going ot happen

Not Happening

"One list could give AMR the flexibility to make better business decisions and employ more pilots. It would give the pilots a stronger position for bargaining in the future"

Here is the kind of statement that reflects the fact that the issue is not understood by pilots at all.

The fact is that:

One list diminishes the flexibility of AMR to do things--like sell Eagle.

This is a business that employs pilots not one which exists to employ pilots --why would they see that to employ more is some great reason to do one list.

It would give pilots a stronger postion for bargaining. Wow, why would AMR not want to jump on that idea.

 

[3HOLER]

Publishers, as usual you are blabbing like an idiot again. Why do you think you have such a great understanding of how this process works and will work? I see that you have a ton of experience flying in this industry. If you don't know what your talking about, you should just be quiet because you look stupid every time you post something. And have a nice day.

 

[justincase]

Any word on more recalls coming at Eagle? Thanks