A Video I made (prior thread)

[Midnight Flyer]

Anybody know why the moderators removed the thread "A video I made"?
I can understand if the thread contained posts from pilots with avtars that might be offensive to some people. And I can understand if there was excessive profanity or whatever, but there was none of that.
The only thing I can figure was the comair pilot who caught so much flack regarding his disaproval of videocameras being in the cockpit probably asked one of the moderators to remove it

 

[Metro752]

Whats wrong with the video camera in the cockpit?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Whats wrong with the video camera in the cockpit?

Well that's just it; nothing is wrong with cameras in the cockpit. That's what the thread was about. Here it is in a nutshell: This pilot (I'm not going to say his username just in case he doesn't want this to be brought up again) made a video using a camcorder on a 121 flightdeck and he linked it to this website for everybodys viewing pleasure. No big deal, right? It was such a professional and well made video that everybody was complimenting him on how great his video was. Well, another flightinfo member (afellowaviator) was upset about the video, stating how cameras in the cockpit is a major violation of the FAR's, pose safety issues, yadda yadda yadda. The thread really took off at that point because people started telling afellowaviator that he's full of crap. Afellowaviator claims to have actually gone to the FAA to ask if video cameras are allowed to be used in the cockpit. Shortly after, of course, he replied on the thread saying that the FAA sides with him and prohibits camcorders to tape activities in the cockpit. Afellowaviator was so upset with the video he kept hinting around as to how easy it would be for the FAA to figure out the identity of the pilot who filmed the video, thus getting him in trouble. It almost sounded like he was in cahoots with his FAA buddy to try and get this poor guy violated. Shortly after that all this happened, the guy who filmed the video deactivated the link in the post, so nobody else could view the video.
I'm wondering which one of these two finially ended up having the moderators remove the thread. Either the guy who made the video, because he let afellowaviator scare him into believing the FAA is after him, or afellowaviator who maybe couldn't handle the tons of people bashing him on here. Anyway, just curious if anybody know's more as to what happened.

I'm in the process of making a shortfiim containing cool flying scenes, takeoffs/approaches/landing...you know, basic life on the line stuff. I'm going to edit it the best I can and make a link for all to view. I know it probably won't be near as good as the guy's we're talking about here, but nontheless, it's something I've always wanted to do.

 

[JetSpeed219]

Wow, how ridiculous is that??

 

[FlyinFife]

Any way to get in contact with the guy who made it?

I personally thought the video was awesome and rather inspiring. Is there any way I could get ahold of the guy who made it to get a copy? I don't remember his screen name.

Regarding the "complaints to the FAA". If video recorders in the cockpit was against the FARs, there are going to be many a movie/tv/documentary producer and pilot for such video programs that are going to be in a whole heap of trouble. Please show me the FAR that says no video recorders. 'afellowaviator' obviously isn't "a fellow aviator".

Oh well, I won't worry about the link being posted back here, I'd just like to have the opportunity to contact the creator. Thanks.

 

[User546]

Whats wrong with the video camera in the cockpit?

Obviously nothing, because if I remember correctly about a year or so ago the FAA was talking about putting them in all the cockpits and the pilots were throwing a fit over it for privacy issues.

I thought the video that the user on here made was incredible, and wish he'd make more!

I don't see any problem with using cameras (video or digital) while inflight, as long as it's not effecting the safety of flight. There's no harm to it at all, unless of course your Company Ops Manual says different.

 

[FN FAL]

Yea, there's a certain segment of the pilot population that has that "I'm a dork-a-saurus sheriff" attitude.

I ran into one of those on the radio the other day when center asked me to go to 121.5 and contact FSS for a radio check. When I checked in with them, some jerk kept stepping on me whining about "you're broadcasting on a guard frequency!". It was a little trying at first because I wanted to flame this jerk, but we managed to get the radio check completed.

Near as I can figure it was some 121 jerk playing geek air marshal recon ranger.

 

[cforst513]

i have many files that i've downloaded from the links you guys put up. i know i have some RJ ones. if you can describe it to me in a PM, with your email address, i might be able to send it to you in an email. does anyone remember the music in the background or the gist(sp?) of the content?

 

[lowslow]

"afellowavaitor" needs to get a life.

It was a cool video, was he jealous?

Tool.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

"afellowavaitor" needs to get a life.

It was a cool video, was he jealous?

Tool.

My problem with this whole thing is that because of one bad apple, the thread was removed. The number of views was something like 4000 or so. The video was inspiring to me, along with alot of other flightinfo members. Half of all the discussions on this website seem to result in somebody getting their feelings hurt, but that's just the way it is. We are all anonamyous on this website anyway, it's not like anybody knows the identity of guy who made the video or who afellowaviator really is. The more I think about it, I figure it was afellowaviator who got the thread removed, because people already know he's a comair sim instructor and it can't be that difficult for some of the comair pilots to narrow it down and figure out his identity. One of the quickest ways to become unpopular in this industry is to go against your fellow pilots and be a stick in the mud like he was being. Nobody like a geeky know-it-all.

 

[cforst513]

Half of all the discussions on this website seem to result in somebody getting their feelings hurt, but that's just the way it is.

you're fat... YEAH, I SAID IT!! Discuss that!!

actually, i'm kidding. do you know which video he was referring to, or who made it? the CRJ one i have starts out w/ this goofy-sounding music starting off, but the music turns into a guy singing and it sounds normal. also, there are some delta connection CRJ's in the first few frames. is that the one the dude is looking for?

 

[rvsm410]

What FAR forbids flt deck video's?

I would like to know if anyone has a reference to which FAR that says fiming on the flight deck is prohibited? I cant find it anywhere..91, 121, 108, it just is eluding me...

As far as I am concerned the film was taken by a jumpseater.....I dont know why he could not do the filming....the final version was edited and music added on the pilots own time and I think he did a fantastic job...I have the copy downloaded and I hope he and other make more!...

As a dispatcher, I used to take pictures all the time with the crews ok of course, and sure to disable the flash...ouch.....I wanted to tak videos myself.....

Some people just need to get a life.....

 

[mattpilot]

Could someone repost the video please? I didn't get a chance to see it. If you don't want to post the link because of the mods, please send it out in a PM.

Thanks

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I would like to know if anyone has a reference to which FAR that says fiming on the flight deck is prohibited? I cant find it anywhere..91, 121, 108, it just is eluding me...

As far as I am concerned the film was taken by a jumpseater.....I dont know why he could not do the filming....the final version was edited and music added on the pilots own time and I think he did a fantastic job...I have the copy downloaded and I hope he and other make more!...

As a dispatcher, I used to take pictures all the time with the crews ok of course, and sure to disable the flash...ouch.....I wanted to tak videos myself.....

Some people just need to get a life.....

And you won't find a regulation prohibiting it, because it dosent exist. Afellowaviator was asked that same question, and he was unable to find anything either. Then, Afellowaviator started talking about how jumpseaters (or ACM's he called them) are actually considered crewmembers, and if an ACM is filming in the cockpit, that could be dangerous because it detracts from their dutys. Haha...what duties could a jumpseater possibly have, other than making sure he dosent snore too loudy and wake the captain.

 

[mynameisjim]

While I agree with all of you guys about being able to use video/still cameras in flight, and while I've done it myself, here's an except from an airline's ops manual:

The following items should not be used during the sterile flight deck periods of pushback, taxi, takeoff, approach, or landing phases of flight. Flight Attendants will direct termination of devices 15 - 20 minutes prior to departure due to cabin management requirements:
• Camcorders or electric cameras (digital, film, video)
• Compact disc (CD) players
• Electric shavers
• Electronic calculators, including Palm-type devices when not in transmit mode (no antenna)
• Electronic games
• Portable computers (laptop)
• GPS handheld navigation devices
• Portable audio tape players
• Portable video players (tape, DVD)
• Portable voice recorders
• Personal noise reduction headphones


It does not specify if these items apply specifically to crewmemers. But its from a flight ops manual, flight operations chapter.

It's obvious that other airlines have exemptions from some or all of these items, because some airlines use laptops in flight. That might also mean that this list does not apply to crewmembers, jumpseaters, XCMs, ACMs, XFAs (did i miss any?)