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[CX880]

You have got to be kidding me! Who cares if you have the test questions. Piedmont gives us the question bank before CQ every year. The questions are right on our website under the training tab. So who gives a rats crapper if you have the questions?

Yea I know, it depends on the airline. My previous airline training nobody got more than 80% on tests. In this one just about everybody got a 100%....

 

[chignutsak]

Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but I actually picked up the LSAT study guide right after college. After perusing through the material and thinking hard about being an attorney, I returned it a few days later to the book store and pursued my flight certificates. No regrets.

Hmmm, fly airplanes, or become lawyer scum of the earth. Should have been a quick decision. On the other hand, some pilots are scummy, but at least they can look themselves in the mirror!

 

[tyuwerty]

You have got to be kidding me! Who cares if you have the test questions. Piedmont gives us the question bank before CQ every year. The questions are right on our website under the training tab. So who gives a rats crapper if you have the questions?

Exactly, give me a break... In 17 years of flying, 6 types, several regionals and a major, I havent seen one class that wasn't supplied gouge. The gouge usually comes from the company itself or the previous class.

You don't get fired for having gouge, you get fired for copying off of each other or off a sheet during the test.

 

[tyuwerty]

§ 61.37 Knowledge tests: Cheating or other unauthorized conduct.

(a) An applicant for a knowledge test may not:
(1) Copy or intentionally remove any knowledge test;
(2) Give to another applicant or receive from another applicant any part or copy of a knowledge test;
(3) Give assistance on, or receive assistance on, a knowledge test during the period that test is being given;
(4) Take any part of a knowledge test on behalf of another person;
(5) Be represented by, or represent, another person for a knowledge test;
(6) Use any material or aid during the period that the test is being given, unless specifically authorized to do so by the Administrator; and
(7) Intentionally cause, assist, or participate in any act prohibited by this paragraph.
(b) An applicant who the Administrator finds has committed an act prohibited by paragraph (a) of this section is prohibited, for 1 year after the date of committing that act, from:
(1) Applying for any certificate, rating, or authorization issued under this chapter; and
(2) Applying for and taking any test under this chapter.
(c) Any certificate or rating held by an applicant may be suspended or revoked if the Administrator finds that person has committed an act prohibited by paragraph (a) of this section.



If they in fact cheated (with proof of that) they should be glad that the FAA didn't get involved.

The above reg is for an FAA written exam. The feds could care less if someone was busted and fired for cheating on some regional systems exam.

 

[Black Hawk]

Exactly, give me a break... In 17 years of flying, 6 types, several regionals and a major, I havent seen one class that wasn't supplied gouge. The gouge usually comes from the company itself or the previous class.

You don't get fired for having gouge, you get fired for copying off of each other or off a sheet during the test.

Exactly! When you get a semester full of information sprayed at you in two weeks or you're the one doing the spraying you have to find a way to make the sheer bulk of material manageable. Review sessions targeting "must know" specifics, epecially if the class is relatively inexperienced, is a lot different than cheating.

 

[Hikoushi]

Isn't there a law against wrongful termination? The innocent in that class could actually sue for a lot of money. Management needs evidence against each individual being fired; that's a lot of money times however many pilots weren't cheating. I know one of them, who DEFINITELY wasn't part of the "gouge" group. I hope he and the others who were fired without justification either get their jobs back, or screw it to these people brutally. ALPA, won't touch probationary members, eh? Day by day I am less and less impressed. Class action suit? Come on, people! Don't just bend over and take this shyte! IT'S ILLEGAL! SCREW THEM RIGHT BACK!

 

[jahill]

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[navigatro]

Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but I actually picked up the LSAT study guide right after college. After perusing through the material and thinking hard about being an attorney, I returned it a few days later to the book store and pursued my flight certificates. No regrets.

Did you return the book after reading it in the bathroom, a la George Castanza? That, in a way, is like cheating (the next buyer of the book!)

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Did you return the book after reading it in the bathroom, a la George Castanza? That, in a way, is like cheating (the next buyer of the book!)

LOL. Considering that I'm a huge Seinfeld fan I appreciate that.

Nah, it sat on my bookshelf. Although I never understood the bathroom reading individuals. Perhaps my toilet "breaks" haven't the necessity (diet) for a long enough duration to read books or magazines.

Usually, I quietly smerk to myself when I'm a guest in someones home and see that they have a full array of reading material just so one can mentally occupy themselves as they conduct their business.

 

[Soverytired]

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[BrownStreak]

It speaks volumes of someones character who cheats. I'm no angel when it comes to other things, but to cheat on a test truly means you're either unqualified or unable to study and retain the material. Pathetic.

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Good point....I heard all but two of them weren't even gonna get reccomended to go to the sim anyway because they weren't cuttin it. Just what I heard though...

 

[jmreii]

I don't think you can. I'm not sure if they were offered the option to resign, however if they did, it will still say "uneligible for re-hire" on their records. If they got fired, same result but worse.

I think these guys are going to have a real issue in the future especially if they expect to move to a major/NetJets type outfit.

Bad thing is they won't be able to lie about it, since it is now a permanent fixture on their training records at the FAA. Belive me, PSA submits everything to the PRIA. Even if they don't tell someone they even worked there, PSA is sure to send documentation to the FAA that they in fact were employed there and the reason for termination/resignation.

Don't lie about it. Or you will be worse off than you are now.

many companies have a "uneligible for rehire policy" in the U.S. I really believe some companies take it personally if you do not want to work for them anymore. I wonder if that has anything to do with management and labor in the U.S. unable to get along. No wonder everyone wants to go overseas to work, that should tell you something sport. thank god some companies do not believe everything they hear and read about a potential employee otherwise all of us would be up the creek with no paddles or a canoe.

 

[jmreii]

It speaks volumes of someones character who cheats. I'm no angel when it comes to other things, but to cheat on a test truly means you're either unqualified or unable to study and retain the material. Pathetic.

Maybe because I always had some pride and always worked hard when it came to college and airplanes. Not that it matters, but every written from Private to ATP I had either a few 100%'s or nothing below a 98%. Never failed a checkride either. In fact, was always told I flew well at the end of my rides. Always made sure I was up on my game. You see, maybe it's an insecurity thing, but I always wanted to know the material well (if not better than the others) and enjoyed helping out others when it came time to study. Made retaining and understanding much more concrete too.

The next time I fly I will make sure the aircraft I am flying knows that I have never failed a checkride and see if that makes a difference. by the way, during my 30 year flying career I have had two friends who were major airline captains that were killed in airline accidents involving pilot error. Neither pilot failed any checkrides until their last flight.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

You misconstrued my post.

Yes, I do believe it says a lot of the individuals character who foregoes studying over cheating. To each his own.

My attitude stems from what I believe in and how I approached any studying or training in my life. While it's true that I haven't failed a ride, it doesn't mean I am somehow better. Not failing a checkride DOES NOT mean you won't be involved in an incident or accident. I wasn't implying the opposite which your post seemed to address.

My point was anecdotal in that I tend to over-study and worry to the point of insecurity. That's how I am and why I've displayed this attitude towards those who take the easy road when it comes to exams.

It burns someone like myself who puts in a lot of time to study when others skate. It's no different than presenting your experience level with falsified logbook hours.

 

[meyers9163]

I'd just say that many in the class that were let go for whatever reason were former Skyway guys and others with 121 experience. They actually were probably one of the most experienced classes that RF had during his time as the one in charge of training.... Just a side note to all those who as purely speculating.