A question for USAIR pilots?

[MCDU]

A furloughed 2005 West pilot would have how many East pilots below him if the Nic was implemented?

Could the furloughed West pilots hold a line or a Capt spot on the 190 with the Nic award?

How about Widebody flying. Could the furloughed West pilot hold that to?

M

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Oh brother.... Here he goes again....

Why not do everyone a favor and call USAPA, ask them this question and post the answer?

Better yet, look at the lists for yourself make a determination and STFU....

 

[St. Nic]

Spot on MCDU! That's why the west is going to wither at the vine- there is nothing in PHX. More furloughs to come out there. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of kids!

 

[Metro752]

Wishing furloughs is low. Wish them herpes or something.

 

[cactusboy53]

A furloughed 2005 West pilot would have how many East pilots below him if the Nic was implemented?

Could the furloughed West pilots hold a line or a Capt spot on the 190 with the Nic award?

How about Widebody flying. Could the furloughed West pilot hold that to?

M

Answering questions with questions:

Could pilot Collello (or any other AAA pilot south of Collello) hold any mainline seat in May 2005?

Was AAA furloughing & down grading on from May 2005 back to September 2001?

Was AWA hiring and upgrading after all furloughed pilots returned after 9-11?

Did both parties agree to comply with the ALPA merger policy?

Did both parties choose arbitrator Nicolau?

Did each party choose a pilot neutral?

Did both parties agree to final and binding arbitration?

Did USAPA's legal team have to do a dance in front of Judge Wake today?

Here, I'll help you:

NO,
YES,
YES,
YES,
YES,
YES,
YES,
and YES

 

[MCDU]

Delta, United, American, USair etc were all furloughing & down grading on from May 2005 back to September 2001

ATA, Skybus, Midwest Express, Mesa and AWA were hiring and upgrading prior to 2005.

Get the picture.

M

 

[cactusboy53]

Delta, United, American, USair etc were all furloughing & down grading on from May 2005 back to September 2001

ATA, Skybus, Midwest Express, Mesa and AWA were hiring and upgrading prior to 2005.

Get the picture.

M

I just can not imagine how difficult it must be for you to be so angry & embittered because of the position that you are in. Add to that the multiple attempts to recover some portion of that career from a group that did nothing to you.

God Bless you Marty. Tomorrow is bound to be a better day.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

MCDU didn't get enough love as a child. I've looked through all his threads today... He is the most miserable sob you ever saw. MCDU your new name is Droopy.

Gear up Droopy...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Delta, United, American, USair etc were all furloughing & down grading on from May 2005 back to September 2001

ATA, Skybus, Midwest Express, Mesa and AWA were hiring and upgrading prior to 2005.

Get the picture.

M

Hi doosh. You don't work for Us Airways.. Remember, you wrote it right here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1195007]#post1195007

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1830329#post1830329

Get the picture.

Spot on MCDU! That's why the west is going to wither at the vine- there is nothing in PHX.

Hi Job stealer. When you and mcdoosh are butt slapping each other on the forum, are you on the same laptop in the trailer you live in, or are you in the crewroom in PHL waiting to sign in for your next 190 f/o trip?

More furloughs to come out there. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of kids!

I can't wait for your low paying airline to get pieced out to AMR so you can't continue to hold the industry down with your lousy payscales, and you wind up doing what mcdoosh does for money......Of course, any MESA pilot makes more than you easties.....:laugh:

 

[say again]

Hi doosh. You don't work for Us Airways.. Remember, you wrote it right here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1195007]#post1195007

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1830329#post1830329

Get the picture.




Hi Job stealer. When you and mcdoosh are butt slapping each other on the forum, are you on the same laptop in the trailer you live in, or are you in the crewroom in PHL waiting to sign in for your next 190 f/o trip?



I can't wait for your low paying airline to get pieced out to AMR so you can't continue to hold the industry down with your lousy payscales, and you wind up doing what mcdoosh does for money......Of course, any MESA pilot makes more than you easties.....:laugh:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Sandhawk]

Sorry McDoodoo - there is no such thing as a USAIR pilot anymore....

 

[JetMonkey]

Spot on MCDU! That's why the west is going to wither at the vine- there is nothing in PHX. More furloughs to come out there. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of kids!

Your a real class act sir.. You do know that there's been 40 west furloughed pilots recalled and are now in training right?

 

[MCDU]

A furloughed 2005 West pilot would have how many East pilots below him if the Nic was implemented?
Over 800 3470(Most Junior East)-2643(Monda) according to the 2009 SL

Could the furloughed West pilots (DOH 2005) hold a line or a Capt spot on the 190 with the Nic award? Yes, they have 800 pilots below them.

How about Widebody flying. Could the furloughed West pilot hold that to? Yes

M

That is a windfall at the expense of East pilots. Which is not what the east signed up for.

Can not wait to see if the SWA pilots will put up being placed behind someone who was hired after them.

M

 

[becket]

That is a windfall at the expense of East pilots. Which is not what the east signed up for.

Can not wait to see if the SWA pilots will put up being placed behind someone who was hired after them.

M

It's out of SWA pilots hands...TOTALLY. Just like the Eastholes...nobody gives a shizz what they thought "they signed up for". Irrelevant.

 

[Guppiedriver]

That is a windfall at the expense of East pilots. Which is not what the east signed up for.

Can not wait to see if the SWA pilots will put up being placed behind someone who was hired after them.

M

I don't believe your claim that a 2005 hire could hold captain on the east. Post up your latest equipment bid and then the I'll look at the Nic list.

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for LOS.

 

[KCSO780]

Hey Scope....

The doosh hangs out on another site claiming United as well...

Read it here.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-f...did=4737316&searchid=4737640&s=mcdu#ID4737640

His profile here.
http://www.airliners.net/profile/mcdu

 

[cactusboy53]

That is a windfall at the expense of East pilots. Which is not what the east signed up for.

Can not wait to see if the SWA pilots will put up being placed behind someone who was hired after them.

M

That is sad. 16 replies, and you had to answer your own questions. Hang in there Marty, tomorrow's gonna be a better day......

 

[MCDU]

Thanks Dave. I guess the young PFT crowd of AWA frequents this board. Many are ex 90's commuter pilots. Not to many real USAir pilots on here. It's an age thing.

M

 

[eaglesview]

Thanks Dave. I guess the young PFT crowd of AWA frequents this board. Many are ex 90's commuter pilots. Not to many real USAir pilots on here. It's an age thing.

M

That is probably a very accurate statement.

 

[cactusboy53]

Thanks Dave. I guess the young PFT crowd of AWA frequents this board. Many are ex 90's commuter pilots. Not to many real USAir pilots on here. It's an age thing.

M

I would disagree. I think there are plenty of "lurkers" that just don't want to waste the band width in a reply. I don't know the specific make-up of the east based pilots, but the AWA pilot group has a wide selection of prior employers. Some were Mesa (and other commuters), yes. But we have lots of retired military, former ATC controllers that were fired by Reagan, former Eastern Airlines, former Braniff, former TWA, former US Air, etc. Yes, I would say there are many "real US Air" pilots that cruise around this (and other) board (s).

Don't know about the age thing...(does AARP really think that I will join if they send MORE stuff in the mail???)....Collectively speaking our group isn't that much younger than the east based pilots.

Have a great day! I'm at home enjoying the cool nights & the leaves changing color. Fall is the best season by far!

 

[vetrider]

East pilots don't post, they just spy and file RICO suits against those that do, west pilots of course.

 

[becket]

Thanks Dave. I guess the young PFT crowd of AWA frequents this board. Many are ex 90's commuter pilots. Not to many real USAir pilots on here. It's an age thing.

M

So You're claiming that you're primary motivation to get on here and cheer on the fake union has NOTHING to do with a certain 1999 hire?

Right.

 

[Guppiedriver]

I don't believe your claim that a 2005 hire could hold captain on the east. Post up your latest equipment bid and then the I'll look at the Nic list.

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for LOS.

Come on MCDU, answer the question.

 

[MCDU]

Go to wings. It is all there to see.The East bids are posted there. Bottom E 190 Cap about 300 numbers behind furloughed west pilots.

M

 

[Guppiedriver]

Go to wings. It is all there to see.The East bids are posted there. Bottom E 190 Cap about 300 numbers behind furloughed west pilots.

M

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for LOS.

 

[MCDU]

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for

LOS.

First of all, there are no furloughed 1989 East pilots.They were recalled 5 years ago while Nic was trying to figure out the list. CAL, United Delta, all had pilots on furlough back then due to 9/11 and outsourcing. When the list came out, East 1989 were active pilots due to East attrition.

Read the C and R's. You do not lose any Capt seats in PHX. There are protections for West bases. The Nic has nothing.

So, a 1989 pilot could hold capt. in PHX if there is an opening. Bottom line, the West is scared. Te jobs they had in 2005 are worth nothing and now they want to have a lifeboat to East bases were the East pilots sacrified down to min fleet and BK wages.

M

 

[cactusboy53]

First of all, there are no furloughed 1989 East pilots.They were recalled 5 years ago while Nic was trying to figure out the list. CAL, United Delta, all had pilots on furlough back then due to 9/11 and outsourcing. When the list came out, East 1989 were active pilots due to East attrition.

Read the C and R's. You do not lose any Capt seats in PHX. There are protections for West bases. The Nic has nothing.

So, a 1989 pilot could hold capt. in PHX if there is an opening. Bottom line, the West is scared. Te jobs they had in 2005 are worth nothing and now they want to have a lifeboat to East bases were the East pilots sacrified down to min fleet and BK wages.

M

I'm sorry to correct you, but the furloughed pilots at the former US Air were recalled while the two merger committees went through the merged seniority integration process. Those pilots had no chance to return to a job, had the merger not occurred. Arbitrator Nicolau and the two pilot neutrals got it right. "Fairness" is in the eye of the beholder.....and we all have heard your opinion countless times on what is fair.

Conversely the pilots that had a job when US Air was acquired were furloughed out of seniority during the recent downturn in the economy. God Bless them all, the are returning to work in PHX in earnest.

Go peddle your revisionist history somewhere else. We'll not be buying any of your DOH w/ C&R cheer leading today, or any other day. Further, we are not scared in the least. This will be played out in our court systems because one side fails to recognize a final and binding arbitration, and the other side is forced to defend our position and will not roll over and give you what you think you are entitled to.

M; It seems that with your knowledge level & enthusiasm, you must simply be a pilot for the new US Air. I would guess that you are a junior (previously furloughed) pilot that returned to the new US Airways. Your knowledge of the events likely also places you in USAPA as a fervent volunteer. Good for you. Everyone needs a hobby.

Have a great night! Next week will be a great week......cool nights, brightly colored leaves, and the hint of frost just around the corner. I'm just finishing a week's vacation and a week next to it off. It has been awesome. Our time off, vacation time, sick time, LTD, STD, dead-head pay, mechanical pay (to name just a few advantages) and all the rest of the contract we work under are pretty darn good. You guys could have had that and a wage that would have been 10-11% greater than what the AWA wages are currently (at the least)! Pity.

 

[Captzaahlie]

so there.....

 

[Guppiedriver]

First of all, there are no furloughed 1989 East pilots.They were recalled 5 years ago while Nic was trying to figure out the list. CAL, United Delta, all had pilots on furlough back then due to 9/11 and outsourcing. When the list came out, East 1989 were active pilots due to East attrition.

Read the C and R's. You do not lose any Capt seats in PHX. There are protections for West bases. The Nic has nothing.

So, a 1989 pilot could hold capt. in PHX if there is an opening. Bottom line, the West is scared. Te jobs they had in 2005 are worth nothing and now they want to have a lifeboat to East bases were the East pilots sacrified down to min fleet and BK wages.

M

So US Air would have recalled pilots even if the merger had not happened?

I did. I didn't say we would. There are none. Then why are you afraid of it?

Finally he answers the question.

But you know what, it doesn't matter because your DOH dream list will never see the light of day.

 

[johnnyb]

Conversely the pilots that had a job when US Air was acquired were furloughed out of seniority during the recent downturn in the economy.

They were not furloughed out of seniority. The Nic award is worthless and will remain worthless until we have a joint contract - which we do not.

Frankly, if you'll read the TA, the company has an additional 12 months after a joint agreement before the first system bid joining the 2 pilot groups is to be put out.

Your attempted distortion of the process does none of us any good.