A Political question.

[joevollers]

I have noticed that many of the people who respond on these websites openly support politicians who clearly do not support any type of organized labor.

What gives??

 

[aspire]

we're stupid.

any more questions?

 

[xanderman]

I have noticed that many of the people who respond on these websites openly support politicians who clearly do not support any type of organized labor.

What gives??

Just to clarify... Are we talking about the birthing process? Or the union thing?

 

[joevollers]

union thing

 

[kelbill]

Its quite simple. I give more a heck about my kids not being blown up by Islamic terrorists than I do about an administration that is lock step with ALPA or whatever union has done so well by its members. That and another dozen moral issues are the deciding factors. I'm obviously not anti-labor, being one of the blue collar masses, but didn't your Mommy and Daddy teach you that there are more important things in life than the almighty dollar? You didn't have to be in the military to learn that, but apparently it might have helped in your case. Not trying to pick a fight, but come on, if you are a one issue voter, shouldn't it at least be a moral issue?

 

[mdf]

Its quite simple. I give more a heck about my kids not being blown up by Islamic terrorists than I do about an administration that is lock step with ALPA or whatever union has done so well by its members. That and another dozen moral issues are the deciding factors. I'm obviously not anti-labor, being one of the blue collar masses, but didn't your Mommy and Daddy teach you that there are more important things in life than the almighty dollar? You didn't have to be in the military to learn that, but apparently it might have helped in your case. Not trying to pick a fight, but come on, if you are a one issue voter, shouldn't it at least be a moral issue?

AMEN to that!!! I have children to raise, and the left has gone way to left for me. I know my party isn't perfect, but when you look close, the choice is obvious for me.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I support organized labor when it's needed. This happens to be a time and industry when corporate greed has created a need for unions.

Most of the time, when I support politicians, it's a matter of who is the lesser of two evils.

 

[HalinTexas]

Unions cannot stop "corporate greed." Never have. Unions are pretty greedy themselves.

The problems airlines, pilots, and other employees have are not very simple and are not simply remedied. Pointing the finger at any one group is a gross error and very ignorant. The blame can easily be spread around. Good employee managment relations are a two-way street. You can't have one without the other.

 

[RickKC-135]

A union that is unwilling to work as a team, with the management, is just as bad as a corrupt politician. Therefore I support the one who will take the correct stand, not the one who will drive the company into bankruptcy or the politician who will drive the country into moral bankruptcy.

 

[Wesb737fo]

My two cents,

Joe, you do bring up a good point. Most pilots tend to be conservative (who tend to vote for republicans) but organized labor is aligned with the democratic party. Kelbill (and others) bring up the valid point that there are more important issues (other than which candidate supports labor) and I voted republican for those reasons. However, It wasn't an easy decision.

I don't even want to think about the next election ( could you imagine having to vote for H. C.?)

You guys are right, there are no easy solutions. I do support ALPA. ALPA has its problems. I don't expect them to make me rich, but they were there when I needed them. If any of you guys have ever been strapped into the company AFM, you know what I mean. Some managements are filled with scumbags who have no moral character and will do anything to screw over the pilot group. I better stop before I go on a rant....

 

[joevollers]

Its quite simple. I give more a heck about my kids not being blown up by Islamic terrorists than I do about an administration that is lock step with ALPA or whatever union has done so well by its members. That and another dozen moral issues are the deciding factors. I'm obviously not anti-labor, being one of the blue collar masses, but didn't your Mommy and Daddy teach you that there are more important things in life than the almighty dollar? You didn't have to be in the military to learn that, but apparently it might have helped in your case. Not trying to pick a fight, but come on, if you are a one issue voter, shouldn't it at least be a moral issue?

I'm quite sure my Mommy and Daddy taught me more important things than whether or not unions are supported!

But What moral issues are we talking about?? Gays--abortion-- or lying about why we are at war. Or maybe it is the moral issue of pinning a prison scandal on E's instead of O's when the White House's own Legal counsel recommends aviuding the geneva convenion.

I am not a one issue man I have voted for Conservatives before and I did not vote for Clinton. But I would love to know How someones moral compass leads them to Bush.--Come on Look what the guy did to McCain in South Carolina In 2000--Push Polls "would you be more or less willing to vote for Sen McCain if you knew he had an Illegitamate Black CHild?" This is the type of campaign run by Mr Moral Bush.

The Problem with Kerry was yes-- most of Bush's attack about him were True Kerry was not a great choice for America. But bush was quoted in 2000 as saying we can't just go pushing freedom on other nations----Now HE calls it our Mission! 9/11/2001 Brought us to be the Bringer of Freedom to the World?? You need to read ALOT more if you really think we are any safer because we are in IRAQ.

I could understand if your Moral compass has bought you to vote for Dole yes But Bush2????????









"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice the people can always be bought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to great danger."

Hermann Goring at the Nuremberg trials

 

[Wesb737fo]

Joe...Joe...Joe,

You should have titled your thread "Why I hate G. W. Bush" instead of disguising it as a discussion of why pilots tend to vote conservative. Let's face it. Terry Mac and his boys did a poor job the last five years. There are extreme liberals and right wing nut jobs in America. You must convince those of us in the middle that your policies are better for us. My opinion is that the Democractic party has the image of being aligned with the radical left. Until you remedy this, you are not going win elections.

As far as comparing GWB to the Nazi's. You are offsides. I can see what you were trying for, but that is in poor taste. The world is a complicated place and it isn't going to get less complicated any time soon.

 

[Birdstrike]

...I am not a one issue man I have voted for Conservatives before and I did not vote for Clinton. But I would love to know How someones moral compass leads them to Bush...

Because many of us took a hard look at Kerry and there was no way, just no way to support the man.

 

[joevollers]

Wesb737fo--
You are right, I should have titled it that.

 

[FN FAL]

Because many of us took a hard look at Kerry and there was no way, just no way to support the man.

Yea, I hear ya. How can you respect a guy who says, "I don't need an AK-47 to hunt ducks!" When everybody knows that 7.62x39 is way to light a load for duck hunting.

 

[Cardinal]

Some unindentified poster wrote this back in 2000, but summed it up realy well.

"Basically, most Republican pilots aren't one-issue voters. Sure our union is important, but not more important than all of the other issues combined. If all we had were hard core Democrats like Ted Kennedy running the show, then sure we would have it made as a union. We would also have government run medical care, any money we made above 50 K would go to the government and then be spread out to the rest of the population, our guns would be in a big pile in some desert, we would all be walking everywhere because we can't drill for oil to protect the frogs, etc. etc. "

FN FAL, I concur. Real men hunt ducks with at least a 7.62x54R, and iron sights. A surplus Nagant would fill the bill. With lead [/pun]

 

[O.D.]

A recent bumper sticker I read - "Real Men like Bush!"

 

[Birdstrike]

...Let's face it. Terry Mac and his boys did a poor job the last five years. There are extreme liberals and right wing nut jobs in America. You must convince those of us in the middle that your policies are better for us. My opinion is that the Democractic party has the image of being aligned with the radical left. Until you remedy this, you are not going win elections.

Very nicely put. Come on over to the Non Avn Chat board across the hall. You can be our "voice of reason."

 

[soarby007]

Well, I've never like unions ever since I worked in an aircraft factory during college. Most are full of democrats and parrot everything the democrats say. They send money to them, regardless of what the membership thinks and come out for issues that have nothing to do with the unions and companies whose members they claim to represent.

Being a corporate pilot, I've never been in a pilot union and have no real comment about those in specific. I know the general public is not in sympathy with airline pilots making $200k/ walking a picket line, but that's neither here nor there.

Most unions represent the blue collar worker and align themselves with democrats entirely. Don't know of a single union, except maybe the Fraternal order of Police on occasion that supports Republicans.

 

[enigma]

Being a corporate pilot, I've never been in a pilot union and have no real comment about those in specific. I know the general public is not in sympathy with airline pilots making $200k/ walking a picket line, but that's neither here nor there.

Find me a $200k per year pilot who has walked a picket line in the last twenty years. They may exist, but they're few and far between.

Conservative pilots support a union because we work in an industry that runs 24/7 and the only way to keep the "suck-ups" at bay is the seniority system. I'd rather be ALPA than work for an operator who gives Christmas off to the best arse kisser.

enigma