A message from Gary to SWA and AAI pilots

[texman]

Don't worry,
GK will ship a stack of double pepperonis with sausage to the arbitrators office and he will get the deal of a lifetime for the LUV guys and the trannies will be dumping lavs. He bought an airline and is now pissed they aren't groveling at his feet. If this goes to arbitration and beyond he will find out that federal judges can't be bought as easily as a FAA inspector.
No back to your regularly scheduled sniveling.....
PBR

That may be true but a federal judge can not tell a CEO how to run a company. So legally GK can do what ever he wants.

 

[Sacha]

That may be true but a federal judge can not tell a CEO how to run a company. So legally GK can do what ever he wants.

Unless they appeal to 9th circuit court where the Federal Judges all wear Che Guevara T-shirts under their robes.

 

[texman]

Unless they appeal to 9th circuit court where the Federal Judges all wear Che Guevara T-shirts under their robes.

While funny, the thing that us pilots forget is GK is running the show. 4.5 bil company that has pull most of us don't. This will be the death of ALPA and I bet the CEO of Delta is in full support.

 

[Jolly Roger]

Maybe Kharma will serve the judge up some of his special ice cream. Then again, i do believe he's about to eat some of his own. And, yes, I do feel a bit embarrassed being dragged into the mud with the likes of the "Phantom ice cream crapper", but tonight I am giddy like a little girl on Christmas.

 

[Sacha]

While funny, the thing that us pilots forget is GK is running the show. 4.5 bil company that has pull most of us don't. This will be the death of ALPA and I bet the CEO of Delta is in full support.

I agree. My delta buds tell me that Dpa is gaining traction. As I posted earlier I can see them losing a combined nw/dal and with more than 50% of alpa membership being lower paid regional guys wouldn't bode well for alpa's bottom line. If that happens, the question is, will they be willing to throw a small fortune at the Airtran guys or will they throw them under the bus. As a former Alpa guy based on what I have seen and experienced, I believe they are "Greyhound Bound". We will see.

 

[On Your Six]

That may be true but a federal judge can not tell a CEO how to run a company. So legally GK can do what ever he wants.

Just like DP at USair. Sounds like fun for you guys, lots of middle fingers during walk arounds next to Airtran planes, forever. Ah, the culture preserved!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

I agree. My delta buds tell me that Dpa is gaining traction. As I posted earlier I can see them losing a combined nw/dal and with more than 50% of alpa membership being lower paid regional guys wouldn't bode well for alpa's bottom line. If that happens, the question is, will they be willing to throw a small fortune at the Airtran guys or will they throw them under the bus. As a former Alpa guy based on what I have seen and experienced, I believe they are "Greyhound Bound". We will see.

Sasha,

The DPA is gaining traction, but partially to force ALPA to concentrate on mainline carrier needs. Even if there are enough votes eventually to force a vote, a good opener in the upcoming contract talks may negate the push for a separate union. If the opener is good, it may just go away, if not-- maybe it won't.

But, I really doubt ALPA will throw Airtran under the bus, primarily because many mainline union types at different airlines probably want to see Airtran prevail. Popcorn time!



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

It's rather odd, but I don't see you posting on threads very much that concern the airline you supposedly work for, the big D as you put it. Nor do I see you posting on threads for United which you are supposedly furloughed from. Yet you seem strangely obsessed with all threads having to do with Southwest and have this whacked out allegiance to Airtran. Why is that? I think you full of sh$&@t. You were never in the military. You probably were furloughed from United and the best you could come with is Airtran. After reading your multiple inane posts, I have come to the conclusion that your most likely a bitter, fat marginally qualified fat chick who is sitting at the bottom of the Airtran list and it's dawned on you that's as good as it's going to get. (Actually, I was clued in to who you were by a couple of Airtran buds who have been following this forum for a while but I was getting suspicious you aren't who you say you are). I guess they don't administer the MMPI at Airtran? I feel bad for the vast majority of the Airtran folks as to how this will probably turn out. You and the Eastern Scabs, not so much
.

Sasha,


This is an anonymous board, but some of your "Airtran buds(?)" think I work for them? Re-eally.......? Funny that my two friends at Southwest told me that you are actually a bored lav dumper in Tucson! I have plenty of posts, that range from my post UAL days, corporate days, and now my new job that I actually enjoy, and it isn't at Airtran. But, this squabble of yours has really helped me root for a particular side, especially thanks to your extreme cockiness that is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

It also appears you may have evaded the MMPI yourself, although you did just buy your job anyway, after you were obviously rejected by multiple Majors. Enjoy that Tucson ramp, I hear it's quite hot out there these days! Couldn't happen to a better lav guy!



OYS

 

[embpic1]

This is going to get pretty interesting. Here is my prediction. Frontier gets an offer and refuses it. GK backs out. Now, ATA turns down an offer GK thinks is quite fair. I think he is setting the precedent that you only get one shot. He sounds like protecting the 'culture' at SWA is of prime importance. It appears now that the 'culture' would be damaged if not destroyed by the integration of theses two groups. If this turns out bad for the AirTran guys it will make any future negotiations with other companies think hard about refusing GK's first offer.

Again this is just my thoughts as an outsider.

 

[Kharma Police]

Maybe Kharma will serve the judge up some of his special ice cream. Then again, i do believe he's about to eat some of his own. And, yes, I do feel a bit embarrassed being dragged into the mud with the likes of the "Phantom ice cream crapper", but tonight I am giddy like a little girl on Christmas.

Please don't be embarrassed my pirate friend! In fact you and the others like Bill Nelson, Lonestar, Waveflyer are my inspiration! Nothing would make me happier but to watch you and the others enjoy a big batch of my homemade soft serve, in fact it gives me a big smile just thinking about it.

As far as the judges are concerned, I don't think offering them bribes in the form of my ice cream would be apropriate.

 

[Sacha]

OYS (or leading from behind)

I can see having ALPA and horrible management wreck your dream job at UAL could leave you so bitter. Then to fight the same battle or worse at the bottom of Airtrans seniority list is just too much. So your answer is to make up a glorious past and predict a wonderful future for yourself while you predict doom and gloom for the one pilot group that has what you wanted: Good management,good company,good pay, profits every single year. In essence a bright past, present and hopefully a bright future. THAT's what bugs the living crap out you lady. And a few others just like you. Ever wonder why you never see SWA guys on any threads regarding Usair, Delta, Republic,United/continental etc.? Because 1. It's none of our business 2. We worry about our own airline, not others.
3. Most of us think it would be more than a little strange to be glued to a forum everyday,all day frothing at the mouth over a keyboard ranting about another guys airline. Colleen made sure that SWA hired some awesome qualified, normal women aviators. I'm sorry you didn't make the cut. You may end up here by default which is kind of scary but that's the way it is. In an acquisition,you end up with the 1% like you.

 

[USAFftrplt]

The ball was in motion before the the MEC voted not to let the guys decide. Some people just dont know how to read between lines. Its unfortunate for the bottom half who would have taken the deal even if it wasnt the best.

That sense of ENTITLEMENT will do it every time.

Best of luck to both groups.

 

[Taco Rocket]

While funny, the thing that us pilots forget is GK is running the show. 4.5 bil company that has pull most of us don't. This will be the death of ALPA and I bet the CEO of Delta is in full support.

ALPA's not dead yet: they still have the UA/CO merger to eff up!

 

[flint4xx]

Sooooooooo, how's the weather?

 

[airlinepilot]

Just glad it was not us (SWA) that turned GK down........

 

[Captainzero1]

SWA guys: keep your opinions to yourself

Judge, seriously, you think some SWA guy spouting off on a message board is going to be worth a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. Get over yourselves Southwest.

 

[Andy]

ALPA's not dead yet: they still have the UA/CO merger to eff up!

LOL! It's only been 15 months and we're not even close to a joint contract or SLI.
The JNC isn't even halfway through negotions for a new contract.

... I'd consider no contract or SLI after 15 months to be an ALPO eff up.

 

[On Your Six]

OYS (or leading from behind)

I can see having ALPA and horrible management wreck your dream job at UAL could leave you so bitter. Then to fight the same battle or worse at the bottom of Airtrans seniority list is just too much. So your answer is to make up a glorious past and predict a wonderful future for yourself while you predict doom and gloom for the one pilot group that has what you wanted: Good management,good company,good pay, profits every single year. In essence a bright past, present and hopefully a bright future. THAT's what bugs the living crap out you lady. And a few others just like you. Ever wonder why you never see SWA guys on any threads regarding Usair, Delta, Republic,United/continental etc.? Because 1. It's none of our business 2. We worry about our own airline, not others.
3. Most of us think it would be more than a little strange to be glued to a forum everyday,all day frothing at the mouth over a keyboard ranting about
another guys airline. Colleen made sure that SWA hired some awesome qualified, normal women aviators. I'm sorry you didn't make the cut. You may end up here by default which is kind of scary but that's the way it is. In an acquisition,you end up with the 1% like you.

Sasha,

The reason I consistently post on these threads is because it has turned into "must see TV" and I can't wait to see how many AT Captains fall in above you on your upcoming list via arbitration. What you seem to continue to not understand about the arbitration process is that "who aquires who" doesn't seem to matter to those arbitrators when it comes to the SLI, rather what each side brings to the table, not including pay. You really need Sasha to look at recent awards to get an idea of your future fate. Will GK accept the award? Maybe not, but each of the other Airtran employee groups will accept the offers, meaning AT will become a part of the fold, and that means the pilots will too, eventually. It's your new destiny, and I get to watch it from DTW as I move up the ladder due to our numerous retirements. You thought you were not going to be affected with your 20 years, and now that may not be the case. Stop sweating Mr. Clean!




OYS

 

[SKYBOUND]

New to my ignore list...

 

[redflyer65]

Ya think?

I've been ignoring him for months, most like everyone else. Talk about a clueless point of view!

 

[Sacha]

Sasha,

The reason I consistently post on these threads is because it has turned into "must see TV" and I can't wait to see how many AT Captains fall in above you on your upcoming list via arbitration. What you seem to continue to not understand about the arbitration process is that "who aquires who" doesn't seem to matter to those arbitrators when it comes to the SLI, rather what each side brings to the table, not including pay. You really need Sasha to look at recent awards to get an idea of your future fate. Will GK accept the award? Maybe not, but each of the other Airtran employee groups will accept the offers, meaning AT will become a part of the fold, and that means the pilots will too, eventually. It's your new destiny, and I get to watch it from DTW as I move up the ladder due to our numerous retirements. You thought you were not going to be affected with your 20 years, and now that may not be the case. Stop sweating Mr. Clean!




OYS

You are watching this now unfold from Airtran reserve in ATL. After it unfolds further you will be watching in from the couch of your MoM and Dads because you junior Airtrannies will go bye-bye as we expand Swa flights into ATL and reduce yours. It's already starting. We could go on like that for quite a while. Not that it will matter to you because you will be one of the first ones on the street.

What are the chances of going back to United? I know their SLI is barely moving. Go figure. I also heard the pay and benefits at Continental are much better so that will suck for you. Maybe you could just give it up and get married and have your husband take care of you. Have faith. There are lots of options for you,just none of them in aviation. If it wasn't for your borderline personality disorder I might suggest being a flight attendant since age and weight aren't as much of a factor anymore. GODSPEED!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Please be nice to your AirTran family members.

One Family, One Future by Ginger Hardage
We've had so many important and exciting announcements recently, and I can tell from the comments on SWALife and the conversations I've had with many of you, both Southwest and AirTran Employees are passionate about our future. Integrating two airlines is not an easy process—we said from the beginning that the labor portion of this integration work would be the most difficult. Experts will say that airline integration can’t be done in a smooth and civil way, but if anyone can do it, I believe you can—the 43,000 Employees of Southwest and AirTran. Our competitors who are going through mergers themselves, and those low-cost carriers who have modeled themselves after our business, want nothing more than to see us fail at this. The choice is ours, however, and our future—the future of both Southwest and AirTran, linked together—lies in the hands of our Employees. We have made such great strides, and should be proud of the integration milestones we have accomplished so far. We must focus on working together and treating each other with respect as we move forward. In light of everything going on around us, and the emotions and feelings that go with it, do not lose sight of the fact that we are still One LUV and One Family. Our Culture and our People are what set us apart from the competition—they are our most important weapon. And we must not jeopardize that by disrespecting each other. We simply will not tolerate bad behavior—with each other in the workplace, when sharing thoughts/ideas/emotions in writing, through interpersonal interactions, or on the Employee blog. The success of this integration is critical to the future of this Company, and we must remember to respect one another along the way. Part of our pledge to Employees in our Mission statement says that, “Above all, Employees will be provided the same concern, respect, and caring attitude within the organization that they are expected to share externally with every Southwest Customer.” Our Family is known for Teamwork and how we treat one another—and not just those who are like us or who wear the same uniform, or are in our department. The environment for our industry is uncertain. We face volatile fuel prices, unpredictable Customer demand, changing regulations, a deteriorating economic environment, and fierce competition. We must overcome these challenges in order to prosper. But we can’t do that if we are distracted. As Gary confirmed in his Newsline message this week, “Our jobs are secure at Southwest and at AirTran, and we’re going to work very hard to take care of all of our People.” What's just as important—and I truly hope you consider your personal role in this—is that we take care of each other, each and every day.

 

[BlueBlood]

Mrs. Hardage's message seems to be code for:

I know the AirTran people are driving you nuts and leave you with the feeling that nothing is good enough for them. This integration needs to go smoothly and it doesn't really matter if their people are integrated or not, we want everything else the company has. So despite their bratty behavior, please be sweet to them and let's not start fight on my g'damned website! I have enough $h1t to do around here.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I would hate to be the Airtran guy out on a trip when my wife reads that.

Not as much as Mrs. Taylor when she heard the "Gays, Grannies and Grandes" tirade.

ooooooo The great and powerful Gary has spoken......with more threats and intimidation!!

Great CULTure!!

Hey, flag ties are cool!

The AT pilots will get a much better senority deal out of arbitration.

The SWA guys know it, and that's they are protesting so much.

AMEN!

IF it goes to arbitration. It now looks like SWA/Kelly may not let it go that far.

How will they/he stop it?

 

[Bill Nelson]

How will they/he stop it?

Seriously?