A few NJI Questions

[Diesel]

Kind of like watching a bumfight. In the end they are both still going to steal a cart from someone else later.

I don't know where I was going with that. I guess I was trying to show the duality of man SIR.

PS I heard the NJI lounge at TEB has a LCD while the NJA has a Plasma.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

PS I'm more of a Latin Kings type brawler.

 

[fischman]

Um, just from an outsiders standpoint..... if you Union "A" guys think you and the union are in control, maybe the perception needs review. I know that Mr. Buffet and Mr.Santulli have more personal wealth individually than your union has funds to wage war with. Now lets consider how much capital the companies have.... You may win the war and loose the battle. Eastern did as many other companies who won the immediate and lost the long term position. Just something to consider. Sorry I couldn't add to the fight and call somebody a name or accuse them of sleeping with their cousin......

It is not about control. It is about abiding to the contract the company agreed to. It is about providing better wages, better QOL, and a more safe operation to our members.

 

[RTRHD]

Nancy Pelosi like whatever gets her elected.

They all like what gets them elected. But I could not pass up a little gig at GUN. All in good fun.

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

Hot Damn I got all their heart rates up didnt I????? Its like shooting a tranqillizer at a momma polar bear and watching the cubs fight to save her life....but it all ends up that the DNR still gets to put the tracking device on the momma and check in on her everynow and then. Sounds familiar.

FLYLOW your are not reading my message when I write it.......Remember back when you said "Your Welcome for the Raise" I said...."YOUR union did nothing for "OUR F/O's" We got nothing....no raise...nothing!! All we got was 7/7 and 1/2 of us were already on that.

So I dont give a $h*t about your page 183 of nothing...that thing wouldnt make good toilet paper on this side of the house. We cant get it through the LAV's in the G bird. Keeps getting stuck on page whatever about the single carrier suit just like you get stuck on it.

Your 250+ page CBA book is probably kept in a safe like Ft Knox because its all you have control of. Its just like Mountain Troll said you dont have any more control than we do. All you can do is break an aircraft, strike etc. Do you understand that if you put the company out of business we dont go down with you.because we are not part of you....We just have to work harder. CSX is in your brotherhood and they have a no strike clause. Whats up with that?...how does the union help them?

BTW I dont have a copy of your CBA. Not interested in it. So quotes from it are like GREEK.

RTRHD.....you got that song stuck in my head again. Damn you!!! But I do think your sexy.......Woudlnt want to cut in on Wolfpack though!! haha

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Was it Unions or the marketplace economics changing post deregulation that had the greatest hand in shaping what we call airlines today?

(OK, IM BEING SERIOUS HERE)


It was ALPA, hands down. In 1963-4, Delta thumbed its nose at ALPA and said we're gonna fly the DC9 with 72 seats with two pilots. The union didnt fight them on that plane like they did Frontier and the 737. Over time ALPA realized what the Delta pilots had years before... 2 guys can fly an airplane. Jets were the latest and greatest, and they felt no one would be left standing in props. So they turned their backs on the smaller carriers.

Throughout the late 70's-early 90's ALPA wanted nothing to do with prop pilot bottom feeders. They didnt even want to support them in organizing because they felt another union would be a threat to ALPA. So they left them alone. What they failed to realize was technology was on the roll, and the RJ came in under the radar screen. The rest is history. In 1992, ALPA said RJ's would never work, and they were too small for an airline pilot to fly; yet in 1963 they were just fine!

Had ALPA stood its ground and struck across the board; Mesa, GoJets, Comair, Freedom, etc. would have never evolved.

So when you ask how did the modern airline industry get to where it is today?

1. Total, complete lack of union "FOR"sight and an ego to big for an RJ.

2. Companies doing what companies do best, trying anything to make a buck.

3. Technology making jet aircraft so safe to fly, a 21 year old kid with Doc Martins and 500 hours can do it.



Hey, but what do I know... Im still slinging the gear handle for bananna's and I went to 'cotllage':bawling:

 

[FLYLOW22]

FLYLOW your are not reading my message when I write it.......Remember back when you said "Your Welcome for the Raise"

BTW I dont have a copy of your CBA. Not interested in it. So quotes from it are like GREEK.

No Big Daddy. I said, "You're welcome for the raise."

The facts just suck huh. No need to bore you with realities in the CBA then. Press on.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[FLYLOW22]

(OK, IM BEING SERIOUS HERE)

Seriously though...

was it the Unions or the marketplace economics that changed?

Deregulation completely changed the bottom line. Prior to 1978, if Brand X needed more money for anything (including labor increases) they passed it along the line to the goverment. The money was made available and presto... instant happiness on everyone's part.

Post dereg? Money has to come from somewhere cause the board must still get their bonus. Labor!! Yeah. Let's get it from them. It's easier than trying to control our other major cost: fuel.

 

[Ultra Grump]

FLYLOW your are not reading my message when I write it.......Remember back when you said "Your Welcome for the Raise" I said...."YOUR union did nothing for "OUR F/O's" We got nothing....no raise...nothing!! All we got was 7/7 and 1/2 of us were already on that.

What an ungrateful SOB! If we hadn't gotten what we did in our CBA, the 1/2 of you who didn't have the 7-7 would not have it now. But thanks for admitting that OUR contract improved YOUR quality of life. BTW, why don't you ask your captain about the raise HE got as a result of our contract, and the improved pay YOU will receive when you upgrade, again as a result of OUR contract.

 

[Soverytired]

Did anyone mention how many pilots NJI expects to hire this year off the street vs. transfers from NJA?

Anyone care to answer this?

I'm trying to get out of the regionals, and NJI looks very attractive due to their commuter policy.

 

[Diesel]

BTW I dont have a copy of your CBA. Not interested in it. So quotes from it are like GREE

Probably because you can't seem to understand a written agreement between two parties well enough without pictures of man on man action.

ts just like Mountain Troll said you dont have any more control than we do. All you can do is break an aircraft, strike etc.

Once again that is where you are wrong. Yes we can strike but only being released from a mediator and its a pretty long process to get there. The company and the union know this. Thats why they understand that its better to work with the union than fight them.

A couple of things that have happened recently have been because of union and company interaction. You see the company can talk to the union because it is talking to one pilot group. Not 700 or so different agendas like NJI has. The union is able to go to the company and say, "this needs to be fixed. We will help you fix it but it needs to be fixed right now."

Your hatred towards unions doesn't really apply in this situation because of the good working relationship with the company. We have the grievance procedure, and SBA to hear disputes. Yes the road can get a little rocky but the company has learned its better to work with us than against us.