96% of TSA pilots vote YES to strike

[PCL_128]

Didn't management regain lost ground at NWA and CMR?

Some, but not all, and only through the bankruptcy process. Again, we must fix the bankruptcy process. The only way to accomplish that is through the lobbying power of ALPA.

 

[Speedtape]

Didn't management regain lost ground at NWA and CMR?

Well, there is nothing that stays static in this Industry for very long. The pendulum swings right, and then it swings left. For the last 8 years, the deck was stacked for MGMT. Now, maybe that will change.

"Flying the Line" is a story that never ends, and never will until they can have robotically flown airplanes--and that will never happen!

 

[CEO silly sap]

I bet less than 100 guys voted.
As far as the 96%, you'd think how bad they complain about management, it would be 100%. It sounds like 4% probably have faith in management over ALPA.

You would be DEAD WRONG...

 

[Shrek]

GoJet must be shut down........Waterskiiers there are plenty of people around the industry pulling for you - stand tall and NEVER FORGET.

 

[CX880]

His mind-numbingly misinformed comments can speak for themselves.

Please enlighten us on these mind numbing comments.

 

[waterski45]

His mind-numbingly misinformed comments can speak for themselves.

Please enlighten us on these mind numbing comments.

Here is a misinformed quote from you written just today on another GoJet thread:

The damage was already done in 2005 by TSA themselves, not by anyone else. GJ pilots came after the no vote, not before.

GoJet was fully staffed for the aircraft it had on property when the LOA was voted down. GoJet starting operating in the summer of 2005 as a separate list without the TSA pilots having any say. The vote that rejected the LOA was in the fall of 2005.

 

[CX880]

GoJet was fully staffed for the aircraft it had on property when the LOA was voted down. GoJet starting operating in the summer of 2005 as a separate list without the TSA pilots having any say. The vote that rejected the LOA was in the fall of 2005.

GJ could have been flown by TSA. End of story. If you want to b!tch and whine about the past go ahead.

 

[ualdriver]

GJ could have been flown by TSA. End of story. If you want to b!tch and whine about the past go ahead.

The GJ pilots could have done the right thing but chose not to. End of story. If you guys want to rationalize the past, go ahead.

 

[CopilotDoug]

The GJ pilots could have done the right thing but chose not to. End of story. If you guys want to rationalize the past, go ahead.

Is the "right thing" somewhat akin to Mainline pilots accepting RJ's twenty some years ago?

 

[CX880]

The GJ pilots could have done the right thing but chose not to. End of story. If you guys want to rationalize the past, go ahead.

Done what thing? Are you expecting people to not fly because of a regional feud that was never their fault??? Keep bashing each other, that's exactly what management wants.

 

[ualdriver]

Is the "right thing" somewhat akin to Mainline pilots accepting RJ's twenty some years ago?

Two different issues, and any argument you make with me about what the mainline guys "should have done" will be with the benefit of hindsight, correct? Kind of like saying buying Google at its initial public offering would have been the "right thing" to do with the money in your retirement account?

If your argument is since mainline pilots gave away RJ flying many years ago, it's OK for the GoJet guys to screw over the TSA guys, I'd say that's a bull*** argument. But if that's what a GoJetter needs to say to himself to rationalize his position, I guess it's as good as any.

Further, that statement was in response to Hulas, sorry I mean CX880's, statement.

 

[ualdriver]

Done what thing? Are you expecting people to not fly because of a regional feud that was never their fault??? Keep bashing each other, that's exactly what management wants.

And there you go.......

 

[CX880]

And there you go.......

where do I go?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Two different issues, and any argument you make with me about what the mainline guys "should have done" will be with the benefit of hindsight, correct? Kind of like saying buying Google at its initial public offering would have been the "right thing" to do with the money in your retirement account?

If your argument is since mainline pilots gave away RJ flying many years ago, it's OK for the GoJet guys to screw over the TSA guys, I'd say that's a bull*** argument. But if that's what a GoJetter needs to say to himself to rationalize his position, I guess it's as good as any.

Further, that statement was in response to Hulas, sorry I mean CX880's, statement.

Nothing against you personally, UAL.

However, there are two sides to every coin.

Of mainline/RJ's (regardless of hindsight) and TSA/GoJet...which one has had a bigger impact on the industry?

 

[ualdriver]

Nothing against you personally, UAL.

However, there are two sides to every coin.

Of mainline/RJ's (regardless of hindsight) and TSA/GoJet...which one has had a bigger impact on the industry?

I know there are two sides to every coin. I've spend a lot of time reading and hearing about both sides about many controversial issues, from this GoJet thing to the USAPA scam to the TWA/AA deal.

What does it matter which has had the bigger impact? It's obvious, in hindsight, that if every mainline pilot 15-20 years ago knew that the regional airline industry would turn into what it is today, they would have gone up to Canada with pitchforks and torches in hand and burned down the Bombardier RJ factory. That doesn't mean that it was OK for the GoJet guys to do what they did, and some would argue continue to do.

Look, it's a free country. If you want to work at GoJets, good luck. I wouldn't touch that place with a 10 foot pole. I wouldn't even want that name staining my resume. I don't want to see "that look" on my friends' faces (some ex-TSA guys) when I tell them I work for GoJets. If I were doing the hiring at an aircraft operator, seeing that name on an applicant's resume would at least give me pause. And to top all of that off, you've got TSA (hopefully) inching towards a strike and you know Hulas is going to expect his GoJet friends to fly struck work. Not worth it for many reasons.

 

[CX880]

That doesn't mean that it was OK for the GoJet guys to do what they did, and some would argue continue to do.

What exactly did the pilots do? When did taking a non scab job that TSA pilots couldn't fly anyways became a crime against humanity? I guess my question is what did you expect to happen?? That hulas would get 0 applicants and be forced to ratify the pie in the sky contract that they were demanding? It doesn't work that way. If you have to blame somebody blame the management and the people that let Gojet happen. Not someone on unemployment looking for a job. Are you still flying ual, do you like your job?

 

[flyboyzii]

UALDRIVER:
GoJet pilots didn't do anything but accept a job that TSA pilots didn't want. That is fact..not fiction. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is now crystal clear that they were ignorant listening to the advice of ALPO and Dario. Were they getting a crappy deal wit the contract Mgt was trying to give them??? .....Yes. But, there is a price for everything. Especially here at Hulas University. The TSA pilots and ALPO did ALL of this to themselves and you and many others have been acting like two year olds with a poopy diaper ever since. Grow up and accept responsibility...you know...like us grown ups do. You are pathedic.

 

[Abernathy]

Yeah, nevermind the '89 EAL strike, the '98 NWA strike, the '01 CMR strike, or the '05 MSA near-strike. You don't really know your airline or ALPA history very well, do you?

My point wasn't to nail a date. It was to nail a sentiment.

As for Comair, yes they struck, and good for them, and where are they now? About to get their balls cut off and their "industry leading" contract still sucks balls. Truck drivers have better work rules than regional pilots. If you're going to strike, at least make it worth it in the end. That's where ALPA lost it.

With all of ALPA's bark (one for the gipper!) there is an awful lack of bite.

Everyone is sitting here talking about bombarding your congressmen with letters. Isn't that ALPAs job? Shouldn't they be organizing something? Shouldn't they be constantly in the media as interviewees for CNN and FUX news? Shouldn't they be lobbying Congressmen (doesn't everyone else? Ever heard of the NRA?)? Where the heck is Prater anyway?

ALPA doesn't know the first thing about effective lobbying (somebody get Prater a copy of "Lobbying for fcking retards"). It takes more than a groomed 80's gay-porn moustache and shaking hands.

And for the rest of you, the Republican party is NOT on your side. And for the rest of you imbeciles who voted for John McCain, only read the document where he complains that pilots are ruining the industry because they are greedy, overpaid and underworked. He was talking about your sorry dumba--es.

If you want to be effective and fix this "problem" that the senior generation started to begin with, you need to be a little more in tune with reality. ALPA is just not politically savvy enough to make a difference. Younger, more energetic guys in the top positions could help make a difference. Seniority works for some things. Not others.

 

[PCL_128]

You're obviously not aware of what ALPA does on the Hill. I'm glad to see that you understand that the Republicans are not your friends, but you should go to the ALPA website and read all that ALPA has been doing lately for lobbying efforts. ALPA is constantly lobbying. It's practically Prater's primary job as ALPA President.

 

[Abernathy]

You're obviously not aware of what ALPA does on the Hill. I'm glad to see that you understand that the Republicans are not your friends, but you should go to the ALPA website and read all that ALPA has been doing lately for lobbying efforts. ALPA is constantly lobbying. It's practically Prater's primary job as ALPA President.

PCL_128, whatever they're doing, it's not working. It's not working at all. As for the regional pilots, who are now somewhere around 50% of the system, it's not just not working, it's horrifically failing.

Whether or not Prater knows what he's doing is not something I can really know for sure, but his motives are suspect.

Here's how you know you've finally got someone in the national seat that actually cares genuinely about making a difference: He'll slash his pay and the pay of the council, scrap the glossy magazine (that almost costs $800,000 in your dues money per year--almost a MILLION) in place of a black and white newspaper type el-cheapo newsletter/pamphlet with essential info (since e-mail only is not legal since not everyone has internet access yet), and lower the dues pay. The magazine and over-the-top executive compensation from dues money alone would make a dent.

These are practical changes that a very impractical ALPA hasn't realized yet.