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90 Seat Turbo Prop/UAL/CAL scope buster

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luckytohaveajob

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The source of the quote below in red was from the June 9, 2010 Avweb. It specifically mentions a new India RJ program and further mentions some references to ATR and also Bombair building new stretch version of their large turbo props.


90 seat ATR's and Q400 could replace A320/B737 without any scope issues!



The regional airliner market got more interesting last week as India's government-sponsored National Aerospace Industries announced it was planning a 110- to 120-seat jet. The announcement creates a crowd in a market that doesn't seem to have many buyers at the moment. For instance, Bombardier's CSeries has but 80 orders and the Chinese, Russian and Japanese entrants are counting heavily on domestic sales to justify their development plans. Some analysts say the Indian project is as much an exercise in national pride as it is an aircraft development program and the new jet, if it's ever built, will likely find buyers only on the subcontinent. Meanwhile, the turboprop airliner market also heated up and France's ATR announced plans for a clean-sheet 90-seat turboprop twin.

That could speed up Bombardier's long-speculated stretch of the Q400 from 70 to about 90 seats. It's been pointed out that the Q400X would be a cut-and-paste version of the already-proven Q400 while ATR's is a full-scale development program. The ATR effort wouldn't deliver an aircraft until 2016. Bombardier hasn't decided on the Q400X but if it pulled the trigger soon it could undoubtedly beat that timeline.
 
The source of the quote below in red was from the June 9, 2010 Avweb. It specifically mentions a new India RJ program and further mentions some references to ATR and also Bombair building new stretch version of their large turbo props.


90 seat ATR's and Q400 could replace A320/B737 without any scope issues!



The regional airliner market got more interesting last week as India's government-sponsored National Aerospace Industries announced it was planning a 110- to 120-seat jet. The announcement creates a crowd in a market that doesn't seem to have many buyers at the moment. For instance, Bombardier's CSeries has but 80 orders and the Chinese, Russian and Japanese entrants are counting heavily on domestic sales to justify their development plans. Some analysts say the Indian project is as much an exercise in national pride as it is an aircraft development program and the new jet, if it's ever built, will likely find buyers only on the subcontinent. Meanwhile, the turboprop airliner market also heated up and France's ATR announced plans for a clean-sheet 90-seat turboprop twin.

That could speed up Bombardier's long-speculated stretch of the Q400 from 70 to about 90 seats. It's been pointed out that the Q400X would be a cut-and-paste version of the already-proven Q400 while ATR's is a full-scale development program. The ATR effort wouldn't deliver an aircraft until 2016. Bombardier hasn't decided on the Q400X but if it pulled the trigger soon it could undoubtedly beat that timeline.

Bust what? CAL's scope limits TurboProp seats to 79.
 
But what if it doesn't?



I think we need to work to get these aircraft on our certificates at the "Majors". CAL/UAL needs to work extra hard this year in regards to scope as we are going to set the standard for the next round of negotiations soon to follow. I think the biggest thing we can do this year is arrange to start a transition of all 70 plus seat jet flying to mainline going forward. That will give the new United the green light to work the 3 manufacturers on price to become the 1st mainline carrier in the U.S. to place a large order for aircraft seating 75-115. I'm talking about the C-series, Mitsubishi, and possibly the new Fokker.

As far as your comment on rates go, my opinion is that we need to get the damn planes on our property first before worrying about the pay. I think a CA on an 85 seat jet should make as much as a widebody FO. Give the guys a choice. Some people would rather fly shorter hops than long haul. It should pay the same.

IAHERJ
 
Hi!

How is a 90 seat plane going to replace a 130-220 seat aircraft???

cliff
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