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767-200 Range & Crew Requirement

Flyer8

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I am curious about the range of a 767-200. How much weight can it carry on a non-stop, over the water trip and land with the required fuel reserves? Is it capable of going from Japan to Singapore or Diego Garcia? How much can it haul from San Francisco to Hawaii?
I am also curious as to when you need a IRO ? ( That would make a 767 a 3 man crew..right?) On a DC8 73 series we could fly a 12 hour trip without additional crew members.Crew costs would be $359(all 3 positions combined) an hour for our most senior crew) vs. whatever a 767 senior crew + an IRO would be..I guess there would also be some pretty high landing fees if you had to do a tech stop for gas...
Our reliability in the states was 97.37% for 2008 and 90 % for all AMC freighter and Combi operations.
Of course there is no contest on fuel consumtion.The best we do is around 9700 lbs per hour on our 72 Combi during normal Mach .80 cruise at 37000 feet.(Yes, we do still fly fairly fast.It is not a squre smoking box,as some would have you believe!LOL....)
My point being is that there are many things to consider when addressing 3 man crews vs. 2 man crews and older airplanes VS. newer old airplanes. Depends on what you are attemting to do with them
By the way, the intent of this post is just to seek information and put some out..I am not looking for a stone throwing contest..
 

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I am curious about the range of a 767-200. How much weight can it carry on a non-stop, over the water trip and land with the required fuel reserves? Is it capable of going from Japan to Singapore or Diego Garcia? How much can it haul from San Francisco to Hawaii?
I am also curious as to when you need a IRO ? ( That would make a 767 a 3 man crew..right?) On a DC8 73 series we could fly a 12 hour trip without additional crew members.Crew costs would be $359(all 3 positions combined) an hour for our most senior crew) vs. whatever a 767 senior crew + an IRO would be..I guess there would also be some pretty high landing fees if you had to do a tech stop for gas...
Our reliability in the states was 97.37% for 2008 and 90 % for all AMC freighter and Combi operations.
Of course there is no contest on fuel consumtion.The best we do is around 9700 lbs per hour on our 72 Combi during normal Mach .80 cruise at 37000 feet.(Yes, we do still fly fairly fast.It is not a squre smoking box,as some would have you believe!LOL....)
My point being is that there are many things to consider when addressing 3 man crews vs. 2 man crews and older airplanes VS. newer old airplanes. Depends on what you are attemting to do with them
By the way, the intent of this post is just to seek information and put some out..I am not looking for a stone throwing contest..

Different planes, different markets. Most of what you ask is variable. There are no 767 combi's that I know of, so that is a market you guys have a lock on. Do you have all of your 72 combi's operating? What are the differences between your 60 series combi's vs the 72's? From what I understand the military loves them. There is nothing there to replace that kind of lift no matter what you guys charge for crew or fuel burns vs. other aircraft. If the customer needs pax w/cargo you need 2 aircraft or your combi. I think the 767 fills a nice part of the market that is really not served that well. If a customer has that much freight, they would be looking for a 747 would be my guess. While it is the first gen 767, it's a great aircraft.

Oh, I almost forgot. What kind of ETOPS you have is another variable to consider with the 767.
 
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Thanks for the link. Got a bit of time in 808AX (both the airplane and the simulator)myself.
 

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I am curious about the range of a 767-200. How much weight can it carry on a non-stop, over the water trip and land with the required fuel reserves? Is it capable of going from Japan to Singapore or Diego Garcia? How much can it haul from San Francisco to Hawaii?
I am also curious as to when you need a IRO ? ( That would make a 767 a 3 man crew..right?) On a DC8 73 series we could fly a 12 hour trip without additional crew members.Crew costs would be $359(all 3 positions combined) an hour for our most senior crew) vs. whatever a 767 senior crew + an IRO would be..I guess there would also be some pretty high landing fees if you had to do a tech stop for gas...
Our reliability in the states was 97.37% for 2008 and 90 % for all AMC freighter and Combi operations.
Of course there is no contest on fuel consumtion.The best we do is around 9700 lbs per hour on our 72 Combi during normal Mach .80 cruise at 37000 feet.(Yes, we do still fly fairly fast.It is not a squre smoking box,as some would have you believe!LOL....)
My point being is that there are many things to consider when addressing 3 man crews vs. 2 man crews and older airplanes VS. newer old airplanes. Depends on what you are attemting to do with them
By the way, the intent of this post is just to seek information and put some out..I am not looking for a stone throwing contest..

Nice hook! Like comparing a C5 and a C130 differant aircraft differant mission. The 767 used here in North and South america is hard to beat. Abx is buying them cheap. Going across the pond is another story totally differant mission.
 
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Lot's of nostalgia here but nobody has answered the original question. I, too, am curious as to what kind of range and costs are involved with the 767.
 

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Thanks for the info..How many 767 200 ERs does ABX have? I had always heard that the standard 200 didn't have very long legs..Never too late to learn new things..
 

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Thanks for the info..How many 767 200 ERs does ABX have? I had always heard that the standard 200 didn't have very long legs..Never too late to learn new things..

Heard a rumor of 6 available thru CAM first to be used on the TNT charter? Most ABX non DHL flying is out of MIA to C.A and S.A. and the Crib. so not a issue.
 

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ER's

Heard a rumor of 6 available thru CAM first to be used on the TNT charter? Most ABX non DHL flying is out of MIA to C.A and S.A. and the Crib. so not a issue.


Started the EBLG-KJFK flight yesterday. Working on ETOPS approval. I think they just took delivery of a ER last week N312AA. I saw it in the hanger in ILN on Monday, completely white bird.
 

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Good luck Clip! Hope that expands into something decent for you guys.
 

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You wont make the hop out to Diego, better stay on an 8 to get your yacht club Tshirt.

I agrees with some of the above in that the plane is most successful in the domestic frt market.
 

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Started the EBLG-KJFK flight yesterday. Working on ETOPS approval. I think they just took delivery of a ER last week N312AA. I saw it in the hanger in ILN on Monday, completely white bird.


That may be for ATI, I think they are putting some 6's over in the middle east or africa or somewhere. Ive heard they are getting 2 or 3 more in quick succesion.

That may even be the plane the Beoingers have been fighting with at BFI. Heard from a buddy up there that one was totally FUBARed by someone's door mod.
 

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You wont make the hop out to Diego, better stay on an 8 to get your yacht club Tshirt.

I agrees with some of the above in that the plane is most successful in the domestic frt market.
What do you mean it won't make it to Diego? It will make it with no problem. Less than 2000nm about 4:15HRs ETE. The only thing that would be needed is 120min ETOPS authority.
 

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That may be for ATI, I think they are putting some 6's over in the middle east or africa or somewhere. Ive heard they are getting 2 or 3 more in quick succesion.

That may even be the plane the Beoingers have been fighting with at BFI. Heard from a buddy up there that one was totally FUBARed by someone's door mod.

Actually that charter is a TNT charter that we are flying (ABX). The screwed up door mod was a couple of years ago, I think that was a ATI aircraft.
 

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That may be for ATI, I think they are putting some 6's over in the middle east or africa or somewhere. Ive heard they are getting 2 or 3 more in quick succesion.

That may even be the plane the Beoingers have been fighting with at BFI. Heard from a buddy up there that one was totally FUBARed by someone's door mod.

repeat post.
 

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My original question was ...Can a 767 200 go from Japan to Diego Garcia non stop? or go from LAX to Hawaii...Not an ER ,just a standard 200..And if possible,how much freight could it carry?
 

nitefr8dog

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My original question was ...Can a 767 200 go from Japan to Diego Garcia non stop? or go from LAX to Hawaii...Not an ER ,just a standard 200..And if possible,how much freight could it carry?

Not sure you can get that info from a message board where a bunch of guys throw out alot of WAGs.
 

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How the future looks like for you guys at ATI and Cappy?
 
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