747??????

[CrewDawg]

Found this on airliners.net. Has anyone seen this series of the 747??? I know this is a long link but check it out.



http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...E2OA==&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMy0xMi0wNQ==&static=yes

 

[siucavflight]

No.

 

[exagony]

Yup,
United flew us out to the first game over in Iraq back in 91 in one of these.

 

[banned username 2]

747SP... Was the longest range 747 at the time... I think it was about 30ft shorter than the regular 747 but had the same wing and engines.

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

It also had an enlarged tail since the fuselage was shortened to maintain the same effectiveness.

 

[46Driver]

Saw one of them at Atlantic City a few weeks ago - didn't look like it had been doing any flying for a while. Really strange looking - looks like a delta wing on it would make more sense.

 

[T-Gates]

The flaps are different too. They aren't triple-slotted like other 747's, why? I do not know.....

One of theese has been in MDT the last few times I've been there. Kinda random if you ask me! Anyone know that one's story?

 

[typhoonpilot]

233 seats
-594 mph
-660,000 lb. max. gross take-off weight
-7000 mile range
-4 Pratt & Whitney JT9D Engines. (50,000lb thrust)
-185ft Length
-63ft Height
-196ft Span

Due to Pan Am's inability to fly domestic routes, they needed an aircraft with ultimate range.
This 'special performance' aircraft extended range. Pan Am had this special 747 created to allow non-stop flights from New York to Tokyo.

A shortened 747 with the suffix 'SP' for Special Performance.

Pan Am had 11 SP's.

The 747SP's went out of service April 22, 1985 with the sale of the 'Pacific Division' to United.

Don't know if they re-registered it again, the picture shows A9C-HMH, this is the info on A9C-HHH.

Production List
21649 / 373
First Flight: 1 May 1979
Powered by: 4 PW JT9D-7A
Configuration: V.I.P.


Reg. Operator Colours Name Action Date Info
N540PA PAN AM Old Clipper White Falcon DEL 11 May 1979
PAN AM Clipper Flying Arrow NN 1979
PAN AM Clipper Star Of The Union NN 1980
UNITED Bought 12 Feb 1986
UNITED PA CHT, titles in middle Seen April 1986
N149UA UNITED RR June 1986
UNITED Old, Small Titles Seen
UNITED Old, Large Titles Seen June 1991 SFO
N149UA TAJIK AIR Snow Leopard Leased 1 Dec 1993
TAJIK AIR Snow Leopard Seen Dec 1993 LHR
UNITED Repossed 14 Feb 1994
TAJIK colours Ferried LHR-LAS STD March 1994
Still in TAJIK C/S for maintenance. Ferried LAS-HAM Ferried 29-30 Aug 1995
BRUNEI GVMT Bought 30 Aug 1995
N149UA Reg Cancelled Aug 1995
For Royal Brunei Gvmt
(with VIP outfitting at
San Antonio) Dec 1995
V8-JBB BRUNEI GVMT RGD
V8-JBB NO TITLES In hangar. All Metal with Reg applied by sticker. Seen Nov 1995 HAM
NO REG NO TITLES All White with no reg. R/O 5 Jan 1996 HAM
V8-JBB NO TITLES Testflown in All White C/S Testflight 25-29 Jan 1996 HAM
NO TITLES Ferried HAM-WACO, TX for VIP outfitting Ferried 1 Feb 1996
V8-JP1 BRUNEI GVMT Re-RGD March 1996
V8-AC1 BRUNEI GVMT Re-RGD April 1996
BRUNEI GVMT Undergoing B747-400 Cockpit Conv. Until Dec 1996 Waco, TX
BRUNEI GVMT Green belly, White top and 2 thin black cheatlines. Seen 29 Jan 1997 JFK
BRUNEI GVMT Green belly, White top and 2 thin black cheatlines. Seen 31 Jan 1997 LHR
Bahrain Amiri Flight Bought 24 Dec 1998
A9C-ISA Bahrain Amiri Flight NTU
A9C-HHH Bahrain Amiri Flight Rgd ??
A9C-HHH Bahrain Amiri Flight Full C/S with titles Seen April 1999 HAM
A9C-HHH Bahrain Amiri Flight Full C/S with titles Seen GVA
A9C-HHH Bahrain Amiri Flight Full C/S WITHOUT titles R/O 13 April 1999 HAM

Typhoonpilot

 

[TonyC]

Has anyone seen this series of the 747???

I've seen the "Baby whales" several times around the Pacific rim. The proportions make it look kinda silly, IMO.

 

[sky37d]

what is the Mach eqivalent to 516 Kts, 594 MPH?

There are 3 of them for sale on controller.com

 

[tathepilot]

what is the Mach eqivalent to 516 Kts, 594 MPH?

There are 3 of them for sale on controller.com

mach number depends on temp.
In ISA 516=.78

mach=speed of object/local speed of sound

516/661.3 (isa 15c)

 

[NJA Capt]

mach number depends on temp.
In ISA 516=.78

mach=speed of object/local speed of sound

516/661.3 (isa 15c)

That seems kinda low. The C750 trues approx 525 KTS/ .90-.92 Mach.
An Excel trues approx 420/ .73


Here is a chart and the example happens to be 515 TAS/ISA.
515 TAS = .88 Mach
https://ewhdbks.mugu.navy.mil/mach-as.htm

 

[tathepilot]

That seems kinda low. The C750 trues approx 525 KTS/ .90-.92 Mach.
An Excel trues approx 420/ .73


Here is a chart and the example happens to be 515 TAS/ISA.
515 TAS = .88 Mach
https://ewhdbks.mugu.navy.mil/mach-as.htm

At -20c that may be correct, As your example states.

My example is under ISA conditions which reveals 516kts=.78
Mach number is a relult of temp only.

 

[ibaflyer]

Ther was a few years ago an article in Flying Mag. about a United 747SP that set an Around-the-World Flight record. If I remember correctly, there were pax. by invitation only, gourmet food and it seemed to be one big party. I think they made the trip in something like 30 hours.

 

[4fanman]

There is some Arab sheik that will bring his private sp into LEX during the horseshows. As you can imagine the thing is spotless.

 

[thesource]

I saw two identicle 74sp's in LEX as well.
I asked fueler about it .
The two belong to saudie princes, two brothers.
I asked why they needed both planes and he said that the two brothers,who own a bunch of race hourses, got in a fight many years ago and refuse to fly on the same plane together.

So they fly all the way around the world in private 747's to race and buy and sell horses.

He took the fuel reciepts up the stairs to crewmember and said the cabin was mostly made of gold fixtures.

 

[f9driver]

747SP

I flew them for Pan AM. Cruise was normally .86 Mach. It seems like it had more seats than 233. It always had a big first class section because it flew the non-stops SFO-HKG, JFK-TYO, LAX -AKL and the longest of all at the time LAX-SYD. .... Sometimes that took close to 16 hrs. All went to UAL with the Pacific routes. It flew beautiful and at light weights with reduced T.O. thrust would still climb at an deck angle of 30 degrees but was limited to 20 because without full wing tanks it uncovered the fwd boost pumps and a couple of times the aft pumps also. One crew had all 4 engines intermittently flaming out and relighting...yawing left and right until they realized what was causing it. It probably could have flown easily on one eng at that weight. The brakes were the weakest point. Never wanted to abort if you could help it. Don't know why they downsized the brakes. It was not a money maker!

 

[banned username 2]

what is the Mach eqivalent to 516 Kts, 594 MPH?

There are 3 of them for sale on controller.com

516 KTS at -56.3°C (ISA above 36,100ft) is Mach 0.898... I doubt the 516 KTAS was occuring at that altitude, probably lower (and thus warmer) which means this TAS would have occured at a lower Mach Number...

The gentleman that used to fly them says they cruised at Mach 0.86 which up high would still be a very respectable 494 KTAS...

 

[GCD]

Quantas still operates four of them with Rolls Royce engines. They may have dicontinued use recently, as they were up for sale.

The UAE government has at least two that I have seen in Dubai, maybe more.

Normal B747 cruise speed is .84 for the -200, .85 for the -300, but .86 for the SP in order to get down-range a little faster.

 

[Chunk]

I thought SP meant "Stupid Purchase"....