709 RIDE??? insight please!!

[nethan]

Necro posting is bad form eh?

 

[Longhorn]

The original post was back in July of 2007. I think he has taken it by now. I would like to hear an update of how it went personally.

 

[PalmettoPilot]

It's a 709 ride. I took one, no big deal if you're prepared for it.

I was a CFI at the time and I prepared a very detailed lesson plan on the action that got me the ride in the first place. I spent about an hour explaining the pre-flight procedures on a single engine trainer and did my best to bore the inspector to tears showing him that I knew what I was doing and that I could convey that knowledge to students.

It worked, the ride was over and we never even left the ground.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Bell 609 ride

It used to be 609 then dah Fed's dun changed it ta 709..... made it really interresting when they did.... at Farnborough the Bell rep axed if I wanted a 609 ride and my eyes gots real big like..... Bouyyyy.....

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=82

 

[JAFI]

I can't come up with as "intelligent" a response as atlcrashpad did. But, this site does have a search function. I typed in 44709 and found one of my answers to the same question....

The term 609 was part of the FAA Act of 1958. The Airman Re-examination section was in Section 609 of the act. It became a “609 ride”. The Act of 1958 was incorporated into the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). The Airman Re-examination section is now under section 44709 of the code. Thus the new “709 ride”. Same examination, it’s just a new number. There was no 44609.

If you read the below references, the examination can be called for if there is a “Question of Competency”. Any time there is an incident/accident with an unanswered question on what happened, there is the unanswered “Question of Competency” of the flight crew. So Section 44709 is required.

How in-depth the re-examination will be is up to the inspector. Some 709s are just knowledge tests (orals), some are flight tests, and some are both. It will be spelled out in the letter you will receive.

The exam can be a few questions, or it will be like you never had the certificate in the first place. It can depend on how you conduct yourself, so behave yourself.

In short it is a re-examination of all or part of you certificate (read the letter you received).

I recommend you be professional, positive, and go to the exam with the attitude that the experience is part of the certificate. Like life in general, do your research, KNOW THE PROCESS!!!, be well prepared, and demonstrate how good an airman you are.

This is a copy of the US Code on Re-examination of an Airman. Any Certificate Holder (Airman, Flight Engineer, Dispatcher, Repair Station, or Airline) can be re-examined at any time, period.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/44709.html

 

[ratherbeflyen]

A guy I taught to fly balled up his tailwheel kitfox doing a wheel landing with a tailwind. His 709 ride consisted of 3 landings and an oral that didn't last one cup of coffee.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

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[MauleSkinner]

A guy I taught to fly balled up his tailwheel kitfox doing a wheel landing with a tailwind. His 709 ride consisted of 3 landings and an oral that didn't last one cup of coffee.

I have a sneaking suspicion that my FSDO doesn't have anybody who can (or is willing to) give a 709 ride in a taildragger...

 

[JAFI]

I have a sneaking suspicion that my FSDO doesn't have anybody who can (or is willing to) give a 709 ride in a taildragger...

For the most part every FSDO has a Tailwheel qualified Inspector. That is depending on current staffing/retirements. All G/A Ops Inspectors are qualified in tail wheel aircraft as part of their FAA training to become a G/A Inspector. Giving a 44709 ride is part of the job.

My question would be: Why do you think they would not give a 44709 in a tail wheel aircraft?

 

[MauleSkinner]

My question would be: Why do you think they would not give a 44709 in a tail wheel aircraft?

Because the last time it came up (at least that I specifically know about), they were quick to allow a DPE to do it.

 

[JAFI]

Because the last time it came up (at least that I specifically know about), they were quick to allow a DPE to do it.

A DPE cannot give a 44709 exam. Let me qualify that, A DPE is not suppose to be designated to give a 44709 exam.

My reference: http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=SubjectCategories&area=05&subject=02&regulation=all

FAA Order 8900
Conduct a Reexamination Test of an Airman under Title 49 of the United States Code (49 U.S.C.)

5-1422 INSPECTOR QUALIFICATIONS. Inspectors must be qualified in the aircraft. An inspector conducting a reexamination test shall hold the same aircraft category and class ratings that the airman is being tested on. (A designated pilot examiner shall not conduct a reexamination test.)

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But many things happen that are not in the book.....

 

[MauleSkinner]

Well, the DPE was somewhat skeptical himself...I won't divulge the exact circumstances, but it's entirely possible that they were able to call it something else.

Fly safe!

David

 

[acaTerry]

Curious about the downdraft...what was the weather, terrain, etc?