709 RIDE??? insight please!!

[Capn Lucky]

The 709 ride is a formality and that's all. If you are a private pilot, you must fly and land to private PTS. They are no big deal. You may get quizzed on wind shear avoidance, but that's all.

Good Luck!!!! It is not a career killer if you learn from it.

 

[CEO silly sap]

great..... this just so happens to come right when i am prepairing for several interviews....

Dont worry about the interview, if you dont pass this ride the interview wont be long.

 

[Ben Franklin]

I got into a heavy downdraft in a C150 and I couldnt climb out of it.. as a result the a/c hit the ground 100ft short of the rwy

I once had a heavy downdraft in a hot air balloon. Scared the beejeezus out of me, but I remembered my instincts and all of the intense training I recieved over those 145 hours with my CBFII (certified balloon flight instructor - IFR), mustered up a huge, gigantic bean burrito fart and saved the day.

no 709 ride for me and my balloon really flies!


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[sleddriver77]

709 rides are kinda the luck of the draw on inspectors. Considering your circumstances, (the downdraft) if the inspector that decided you need a 709 ride is the one giving it, you may be in trouble. If you get another inspector who thinks it's pretty much a billshut deal, you'll be OK. I had a couple of my pilots earn 709's over the years, and they both did ok, it was treated more as a formality. If you fail it, or get a real deckhiad for an inspector, you will most likely lose every cert/rating you have. Not a HUGE deal, you'll just have to take PVT/INST/COMM/ME rides again. Get an EXAMINER for this, will cost a few bucks, but most will have some pity considering the circumstances.
What the one guy said about AOPA legal services is probably your best bet. If you can put the ride off until you've had time to talk with an aviation atty, you might be able to get out of the ride if the atty can pull a WX report showing conditions conducive to downdrafts on the day of the incident near the appropriate airport. Two people in a 150 on a hot day with a serious downdraft is something almost any NTSB judge should understand.

Good Luck, both with the situation and your upcoming interviews.

 

[Grimper]

This is from personal experance. First 709 is slang, it is a reexam of what ever the FAA investagator feels contributed to the crash. The letter you recieved should have stated the areas of the PTS that you are being re-examined in for example area iv B,D,F and so on. If you were instructing plan on teaching the areas in question. My accident was in a tail wheel while giving instruction.

I was also applying for jobs at airlines at the time of the accident. I was very forth right with the investagator for the crash and the Fed who did my check ride.

I found both inspectors to be very understanding and did what they could to help me through the process.

This is not to be taken lightly but it was the easiest of any check ride I have ever taken. Even the feds are human. They want to see is that you can fly to PTS and you are safe.

PM me if you have any other questions

 

[Regional4life]

I used to do the same thing as ex J - 41. It's just like he says. Just study up some and you should be fine. As far as the interviews go, use it as a learning experience and it becomes a good story. Good luck.

 

[CEO silly sap]

on a side note if you didnt pass your 709 then I would suggest you apply with mesa, they seem to be short of pilots

 

[airplane wizard]

Is the 709 ride on your record like a violation/accident is? How do you explain it away on a job interview?

 

[CEO silly sap]

Start with, I really want to work for mesa but I do suck as an aviator....

Now back to the 709.... um yea it was the students fault

 

[dickburns]

I had to give dual to a guy who was going up for a 709 ride after gear-upping his mooney. then I flew with him to the site to meet the fed and met him, chatted with him a lot. pm me if you want.

 

[nethan]

Necro posting is bad form eh?

 

[Longhorn]

The original post was back in July of 2007. I think he has taken it by now. I would like to hear an update of how it went personally.

 

[PalmettoPilot]

It's a 709 ride. I took one, no big deal if you're prepared for it.

I was a CFI at the time and I prepared a very detailed lesson plan on the action that got me the ride in the first place. I spent about an hour explaining the pre-flight procedures on a single engine trainer and did my best to bore the inspector to tears showing him that I knew what I was doing and that I could convey that knowledge to students.

It worked, the ride was over and we never even left the ground.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Bell 609 ride

It used to be 609 then dah Fed's dun changed it ta 709..... made it really interresting when they did.... at Farnborough the Bell rep axed if I wanted a 609 ride and my eyes gots real big like..... Bouyyyy.....

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=82

 

[JAFI]

I can't come up with as "intelligent" a response as atlcrashpad did. But, this site does have a search function. I typed in 44709 and found one of my answers to the same question....

The term 609 was part of the FAA Act of 1958. The Airman Re-examination section was in Section 609 of the act. It became a “609 ride”. The Act of 1958 was incorporated into the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). The Airman Re-examination section is now under section 44709 of the code. Thus the new “709 ride”. Same examination, it’s just a new number. There was no 44609.

If you read the below references, the examination can be called for if there is a “Question of Competency”. Any time there is an incident/accident with an unanswered question on what happened, there is the unanswered “Question of Competency” of the flight crew. So Section 44709 is required.

How in-depth the re-examination will be is up to the inspector. Some 709s are just knowledge tests (orals), some are flight tests, and some are both. It will be spelled out in the letter you will receive.

The exam can be a few questions, or it will be like you never had the certificate in the first place. It can depend on how you conduct yourself, so behave yourself.

In short it is a re-examination of all or part of you certificate (read the letter you received).

I recommend you be professional, positive, and go to the exam with the attitude that the experience is part of the certificate. Like life in general, do your research, KNOW THE PROCESS!!!, be well prepared, and demonstrate how good an airman you are.

This is a copy of the US Code on Re-examination of an Airman. Any Certificate Holder (Airman, Flight Engineer, Dispatcher, Repair Station, or Airline) can be re-examined at any time, period.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/44709.html

 

[ratherbeflyen]

A guy I taught to fly balled up his tailwheel kitfox doing a wheel landing with a tailwind. His 709 ride consisted of 3 landings and an oral that didn't last one cup of coffee.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

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[MauleSkinner]

A guy I taught to fly balled up his tailwheel kitfox doing a wheel landing with a tailwind. His 709 ride consisted of 3 landings and an oral that didn't last one cup of coffee.

I have a sneaking suspicion that my FSDO doesn't have anybody who can (or is willing to) give a 709 ride in a taildragger...

 

[JAFI]

I have a sneaking suspicion that my FSDO doesn't have anybody who can (or is willing to) give a 709 ride in a taildragger...

For the most part every FSDO has a Tailwheel qualified Inspector. That is depending on current staffing/retirements. All G/A Ops Inspectors are qualified in tail wheel aircraft as part of their FAA training to become a G/A Inspector. Giving a 44709 ride is part of the job.

My question would be: Why do you think they would not give a 44709 in a tail wheel aircraft?

 

[MauleSkinner]

My question would be: Why do you think they would not give a 44709 in a tail wheel aircraft?

Because the last time it came up (at least that I specifically know about), they were quick to allow a DPE to do it.