midlifeflyer said:
That's why, for example, a safety pilot does need a medical certificate and a CFI who is not acting as PIC does not, even while giving instruction in flight.
The logging rules are just that - rules that tell us whether we can count time spent in an aircraft. They have nothing to do with whether a pilot is a required crewmember or not. And Rule #1 of logging PIC, for example is:
Rule 1 If you are a recreational, private or commercial pilot, you may log PIC any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft you are rated for.
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You mention that a safety pilot doesnt need a medical. Under 61.3, it states that no person may act as a required crewmember without a medical, then gives a list of exemptions. Safety pilot is not found under this list.
61.3 (c)
(c) Medical certificate. (1) Except as provided for in paragraph (c)(2) of this section, a person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of an aircraft, under a certificate issued to that person under this part, unless that person has a current and appropriate medical certificate that has been issued under part 67 of this chapter, or other documentation acceptable to the Administrator, which is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft.
(2) A person is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (c)(1) of this section if that person --
(i) Is exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking a pilot certificate with a glider category rating or balloon class rating;
(ii) Is holding a pilot certificate with a balloon class rating and is piloting or providing training in a balloon as appropriate;
(iii) Is holding a pilot certificate or a flight instructor certificate with a glider category rating, and is piloting or providing training in a glider, as appropriate;
(iv) Except as provided in paragraph (c)(2)(iii) of this section, is exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate, provided the person is not acting as pilot in command or as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(v) Is exercising the privileges of a ground instructor certificate;
(vi) Is operating an aircraft within a foreign country using a pilot license issued by that country and possesses evidence of current medical qualification for that license; or
(vii) Is operating an aircraft with a U.S. pilot certificate, issued on the basis of a foreign pilot license, issued under § 61.75 of this part, and holds a current medical certificate issued by the foreign country that issued the foreign pilot license, which is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that airman certificate.
If it were true, its important to note that the safety pilot may not log PIC time if they do not possess a medical certificate. The safety pilot normally may log PIC time based on the fact that they are acting as PIC in an operation that requires 2 pilots. With no medical, you cant act as PIC, therefore not being able to log the time. But again, i cant find anywhere in the regs that allows this operation without a medical certificate, because the safety pilot is a required crewmember.
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