604 vs Falcon 900B

[tybone1000]

We have a client who is looking to go from TEB to Madrid on a weekly basis. We are looking at a 604 or a 900B. I know the 604 can make it there but not sure if it can make it back on a regular basis. I've seen different numbers for both the 604 and the 900B. So I'm not sure which numbers are correct. Just curious what the realistic numbers would be compared to the manufacturers. I would love to hear some opinions. Thanks.

 

[flybynightly]

How many pax and what kind of baggage? I'll get you some numbers.

 

[tybone1000]

How many pax and what kind of baggage? I'll get you some numbers.

Usually 1-4 pax and maybe 400lbs of bags.
Thanks for checking.

 

[AIR2MUD]

You're right, no problem eastbound, but westbound is a different story.

We took our 604 to Malaga, a bit southeast of Madrid by about 290 nm. We did it non-stop and probably had enough gas to continue on to Rome, though we would have been low on gas. This was fall, with lower temps coming out of Morristown, two pax, 400 lbs of bags, and as much fuel as we could get onboard.

The problem you may face with a 604 going eastbound once it gets hot out is a lack of runway available out of TEB to top off the jet with your pax load. You might find yourself stopping for gas even going eastbound.

As you probably are aware, westbound you can have the high headwinds with high ISA and God forbid you get stuck below FL360 for some reason. Then you're definately making a tech stop.

Hope this helps a bit. I have no clue about the 900B.

I do know a Global Express can go east or west to Madrid anytime! Talk your client into one of those.

 

[BEfly]

would a 605 be any better? I guess you need some luck getting one of those anytime soon

 

[rice]

would a 605 be any better? I guess you need some luck getting one of those anytime soon

If I remember correctly, the only diff. btwn the 604 and 605 is the avionics.
Anyway here are the numbers for the 900B based on a 0000Z departure tomorrow @ .80m, FL 370 to 410.
Sorry it doesn't format well.

DIS TIME FUEL/U FUEL/R WEIGHT
FROM: KTEB ---- ----- ------ 19115 46700
TO: LETO 3232 06:21 14892 4223 31808
HOLD: ---- ---- 0104 2015 2208 29793
ALT: LEMD 0020 0006 800 1408 28993
RES: ---- ---- 00:45 1408 0 27585​

 

[tybone1000]

You're right, no problem eastbound, but westbound is a different story.

We took our 604 to Malaga, a bit southeast of Madrid by about 290 nm. We did it non-stop and probably had enough gas to continue on to Rome, though we would have been low on gas. This was fall, with lower temps coming out of Morristown, two pax, 400 lbs of bags, and as much fuel as we could get onboard.

The problem you may face with a 604 going eastbound once it gets hot out is a lack of runway available out of TEB to top off the jet with your pax load. You might find yourself stopping for gas even going eastbound.

As you probably are aware, westbound you can have the high headwinds with high ISA and God forbid you get stuck below FL360 for some reason. Then you're definately making a tech stop.

Hope this helps a bit. I have no clue about the 900B.

I do know a Global Express can go east or west to Madrid anytime! Talk your client into one of those.

Thanks, thats good to know. It seems like in the winter, spring and fall your in pretty good shape, but in the summer its a crapshoot. Thanks for the input.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

or you can launch right into the late 90s and pick up a 900EX.....

here's a Westbound run at .82 - lands with approx 2900lbs - which is fine in a 900.

Falcons are pretty attractive today with fuel prices.

----- NXXXX LEMD→KTEB
Trip Time:7+43 FOB:9+13 Burn:18059 Cruise:M82 FL:380 Dist: 3276

slow to LRC and the thing stays in the air WAY longer than you want to...make it home from Spain everytime.

 

[tybone1000]

If I remember correctly, the only diff. btwn the 604 and 605 is the avionics.
Anyway here are the numbers for the 900B based on a 0000Z departure tomorrow @ .80m, FL 370 to 410.
Sorry it doesn't format well.

DIS TIME FUEL/U FUEL/R WEIGHT
FROM: KTEB ---- ----- ------ 19115 46700
TO: LETO 3232 06:21 14892 4223 31808
HOLD: ---- ---- 0104 2015 2208 29793
ALT: LEMD 0020 0006 800 1408 28993

RES: ---- ---- 00:45 1408 0 27585​

You are remembering correctly between the 604 and the 605 but it was a good thought. These numbers are great. If you are heading back from LETO to the east coast could you send those numbers as well. If you remember. Thanks.

 

[tybone1000]

or you can launch right into the late 90s and pick up a 900EX.....

here's a Westbound run at .82 - lands with approx 2900lbs - which is fine in a 900.

Falcons are pretty attractive today with fuel prices.

----- NXXXX LEMD→KTEB
Trip Time:7+43 FOB:9+13 Burn:18059 Cruise:M82 FL:380 Dist: 3276

slow to LRC and the thing stays in the air WAY longer than you want to...make it home from Spain everytime.

The EX is very attractive. You figure if your going to spend about 25 mil. whats a few more. Its always nice to see a response from you. You always have good info.