50 or 100 miles from shore

[kilroy]

I heard from a few people there is now an exemption for the 50 miles from shore requirement for a raft. They say you can apply for an exemption not to have a raft up to 100 miles from shore part 135 and 91 anyone have anymore info on this.??

 

[jumper52]

common sense!!

I don't know about you, but I feel much better knowing that I have a raft "just in case" No raft 100 miles out? There are things in the pond that like to nibble on the feet!!!! No thanks.

Cheers

 

[spngbobsqrpilot]

No raft 100 miles out?

Some aircraft can glide 100+ miles from the high 30's and above.

I think that's where the exemption comes in.

You must fly at an altititude allowing the glide to the shore.

Not trying to give a smart@ss answer, but I remember someone discussing this a few years ago and that was the rational behind the exemption.

 

[kilroy]

The problem is in small jets there is not alot of room and a 35000 feet you can glide over a hondred miles

Some aircraft can glide 100+ miles from the high 30's and above.

I think that's where the exemption comes in.

You must fly at an altititude allowing the glide to the shore.

Not trying to give a smart@ss answer, but I remember someone discussing this a few years ago and that was the rational behind the exemption.

 

[avbug]

How long can you tread water?

 

[kilroy]

I think alot of people are thinking you'll be over the ocean without a raft.. But the main reason for this rule change is first of all these rules were made back in the Dc-4 days with airplanes flying at 8000 feet not 35000. Down in the islands and around Florida you limit yourself by not carrying a bulky space taken raft. Arrivals that take you over off shore the Q-routes Ar7 or Ar1 of the east coast. So by doing this you can save alot of flight time but not having to loose a seat to a big raft for the little time you are over water

How long can you tread water?

 

[avbug]

So, how long can you tread water?

 

[kilroy]

It all depends if I,m wearing my regular pilot monkey uniform about an hour but if I'm wearing my tiger g-string swimming suit without the leather chaps I can tread most of the day..

So, how long can you tread water?

 

[JAFI]

Well you don't have to worry about how long you can tread water in "the Islands". You just have to be able to swim faster than the sharks. In the warm water there are lots of them (and other hungry critters) and a human swimmer is not at the top of the food chain.

Any safety equipment is just dead weight until you need it, then it is a life saver.



But to answer the first question, I have no idea where your information came from. Some of the airlines have an exemption to go out to 160 miles but there is an entire approval process and I think it is an ATA exception. So unless you are in the ATA you cannot use it.



Good luck with the search.



JAFI

Just Another Friendly Inspector

 

[SabreFlyR]

This is the reg for overwater equipment in a part 25 transport category a/c. It's been for the past ten years that I know of.



91.509

(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100 nautical miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board the following survival equipment:

(1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for each occupant of the airplane.

(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.

(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.

(4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.

(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with §25.1411(g) of this chapter.

(c) A fractional ownership program manager under subpart K of this part may apply for a deviation from paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section for a particular over water operation or the Administrator may amend the management specifications to require the carriage of all or any specific items of the equipment listed in paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section.

(d) The required life rafts, life preservers, and signaling devices must be installed in conspicuously marked locations and easily accessible in the event of a ditching without appreciable time for preparatory procedures.

(e) A survival kit, appropriately equipped for the route to be flown, must be attached to each required life raft.

(f) As used in this section, the term shore means that area of the land adjacent to the water that is above the high water mark and excludes land areas that are intermittently under water