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5/20/08 Southwest Airlines Announces More New Service in Denver

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PCL_128 is a pilot for AirTran. Before Airtran, he worked for Pinnacle. Before Pinnacle, he paid Gulfstream to fly Beech 1900's.

Yeah? I'm a pilot at Airtran and flew 1900's, what's your point? Didn't pay, but still, what's your point? If true, so what. He had money available to him to do it, instead of trudging through instructing, banner-flying, or military. I chose military, but can't blame people doing the Gulfstream, et al., thing!

Good luck F9 guys!
 
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vance- that's a lot of anger for a wn pilot.
again- your a winner now--- but what happens in other industries is that if you have experience and your company changes paths- you look at other paths and can (if you are good and talented) negotiate more responsibility and pay. You can find new "cheese" as the book would say. But b/c of our self-induced seniority system- we don't have that option... "sure buddy, love to have you, bottom of the list at poverty wages and weak or no benefits to start" -- Again-- NSL or no-- i believe that we should not END-LOAD this career so much... That worked when we all could reasonably expect our company to last our career... now... who can be so arrogant? Even you. (though i don't predict it, i've read my history books and seen company cultures change)

My brother has security that comes from his own education, experience, and talent. My education, experience, and talent does not buy me the same thing b/c seniority rewards one thing only: Time at a company....not ability- some deserve that reward- others don't-- and until someone acknowledges that major airline after major airline took OFFENSIVE paycuts to save their pecking order at their airline- i'll keep saying it's a problem. Except SWA, UPS, and FDX- it's offensive to me what the whole lot of you are willing to fly for. But instead of blaming you- i blame this seniority system and how it creates an environment of us BAILING out bad airline after bad airline b/c we can't afford to have our airline go under no matter how much management's performance deserves it. Is that 'capitalist' to keep funding w/ our money and retirement industry management's failures? How long will we do that? Do we need further proof that they will keep taking and cutting pay and benefits until we are willing to let the airline go under?

Loyalty to a company is a funny thing--- w/ the exception of SWA- do you really think there's an airline out there that has any amount of loyalty to you? So, i won't judge you- b/c swa has been a stand up place their entire existence- they, and you-deserve their success- but don't judge me b/c i recognize that virtually every management team not named southwest or fedex has pissed on us all- w/ government's help.

But maybe i shouldn't give all of you a pass. Our seniority system solves more problems than it creates. Maybe the problem is how so many of this and the recently retired failed to think long term- didn't protect scope to the end- and didn't stand strong enough-- maybe i should just blame the 60% of us that are weak and uninvolved to no end.
 
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But maybe i shouldn't give all of you a pass. Our seniority system solves more problems than it creates. Maybe the problem is how so many of this and the recently retired failed to think long term- didn't protect scope to the end- and didn't stand strong enough-- maybe i should just blame the 60% of us that are weak and uninvolved to no end.

Great post!
 
A NSL is a naive idea.

When my brother who is an MBA moves laterally between jobs, he negotiates his salary based upon his certain skill set. If he is really skilled AND a good negotiator he will receive a good pay package and he most likely will make MORE than someone at the same company already doing the job. In the business world it is always easier to negotiate the initial pay package than it is the long term pay raises. They have to FIGHT for that. Often times people will leave one company, go to another for more pay and then get rehired by the original company later for much better than they made before.

As a pilot at a major airline we are all equally qualified. We either "cut the muster" or we don't. Sure you have Captains and FOs but it has nothing to do with our capabilities. An airline would have no incentive to hire a 20yr guy who would come in at a high pay scale if they could hire a first year guy who meets the same qualifications.

I you want an airline industry where you can go laterally between companies and basically get the same pay, you need to get rid of the unions and let every pilot negotiate his own pay package and have no union protection. Of course we all know what would happen then. Employers would hire the pilots who would work for the least amount of money and of course we all know there are plenty of those guys out there. Heck, I might even be one of them.

....And pilot wages would plummit.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
I think the national senority list is the dumbest idea out there. You pick to work for a company for a reason. If it does not work out you try somewhere else. Nobody forces someone to work for a particular carrier.

about the easiest thing to say when your avitar is a southwest tail.

A "New routes out of denver" post when everyone else is shrinking and F9 and UAL are struggling to stay kicking- very classy.
 
When their hedges run out there won't be anyone left. Being hedged at $51 per is a great position to be in. Kudos SWA.
 
you guys are all right- everyone will stop flying airplanes and the entire economy will switch back to horse & buggy.

No- what's going to happen- is we're going to find out how low major airline pilots will fly airplanes for as another round of bankruptcies and less than friendly judges visit us again...where will you take a stand? BC 55% cuts weren't enough last time...
 

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