300 furloughs UPS

[pbyfly]

As it stands now, UPS had made no mention of including management pilots in any job reduction.

 

[Airbum]

Can you please explain that to everyone else on here who has no clue what you are talking about. So what will happen to those management pilots?

Thanks.

Bye Bye--General Lee

U

General,

UPS has hired approx 200 non union pilots. These pilots are considered "supervisors" and are not part of the IPA (our in house union). The perform duties such as training, linechecks, paperwork etc. The also sit reserve and operate many trips for ups under the guise of mgt emergency flying.

They do not operate under our labor contract and use the FARs as their only limit. It is not uncommon for one to work in the office all day and then be called out that night to fill in for a union pilot if crew scheduling is short IPA crews. In the past if a union pilot has not done what the company demanded the union captain was removed from the flight and replaced by a non union mgt captain who will do whatever he is told.


These pilots are off the street captains, some of which I know of have had to get side jobs to build flight time in order to qualify for their ATPs.

The purpose of these non union pilots is to break strikes as they tried in 1997 with every single one of them crossing legal picket lines. Also they are used in times like this to try leverage the union and gain concessions. Their sole purpose is to help UPS limit any gains to our labor agreement, or perhaps today to gut our contract.

Technically they are not "management" as was proven in a legal case from the 90's and are only legally supervisors whatever that means.

I know it is oddball but does that give you a better idea?

 

[instructordude]

As it stands now, UPS had made no mention of including management pilots in any job reduction.

I don't see how they could furlough the management pilots considering the amount of work on their plates. Getting rid of them would be suicidal in terms of the work load. Management pilots at UPS are literally the glue.

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't see how they could furlough the management pilots considering the amount of work on their plates. Getting rid of them would be suicidal in terms of the work load. Management pilots at UPS are literally the glue.

Now THAT is quality flamebait :laugh:

 

[727C47]

that was an extremely weak effort at flaming dude, your work is usually much better.

 

[BoilerUP]

that was an extremely weak effort at flaming dude, your work is usually much better.

Oh I disagree...usually his sh!t is weak but this post was at least an 8/10.

:laugh:

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Oh I disagree...usually his sh!t is weak but this post was at least an 8/10.

:laugh:

I agree. Give credit where it is due... Instructordufus definitely raises the trolling bar. Subtle enough, yet just in your face... I give Instructor a "touche" for his his persistence and creative irritations. Among the FI trolling, he has definitely raised the bar.

BBB

 

[1800 RVR]

I agree. Give credit where it is due... Instructordufus definitely raises the trolling bar. Subtle enough, yet just in your face... I give Instructor a "touche" for his his persistence and creative irritations. Among the FI trolling, he has definitely raised the bar.

BBB

I agree. That was pretty funny!

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Management pilots at UPS are literally the glue.

I always wondered what made all the peanuts stick together after a smokin' dump?

BBB :laugh:

 

[Skippy]

they will not furlough one ups pilot, mark my word-- 54 million in cost savings is nothing.

 

[pbyfly]

they will not furlough one ups pilot, mark my word-- 54 million in cost savings is nothing.

Do you work for UPS? If so, why is your current position " waiting 2 B furloughed"

 

[instructordude]

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UPS has hired approx 200 non union pilots. These pilots are considered "supervisors" and are not part of the IPA (our in house union). The perform duties such as training, linechecks, paperwork etc. The also sit reserve and operate many trips for ups under the guise of mgt emergency flying.

They are the ones who hold the place together and put the company ahead of themselves!

It is not uncommon for one to work in the office all day and then be called out that night to fill in for a union pilot if crew scheduling is short IPA crews.

Sounds like they are the ultimate team players.

 

[johnsonrod]

If 300 pilots were furloughed, how far back would that go? 2003? 2005?

 

[1800 RVR]

If 300 pilots were furloughed, how far back would that go? 2003? 2005?

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=121422

Info is in there.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

If 300 pilots were furloughed, how far back would that go? 2003? 2005?

End of 2006 and all of 2007 hires. Then, most likely everyone hired mid-2005 and up will get displaced to ANC.:bawling:

 

[DHPFLYN]

I remember the Teamsters strike in '97 (I believe the pilots were on a sympathy strike?).

UPS management used every last bit of available chartered lift they could find...from on-demand DC-8/DC-9 AC down to every last available Falcon and Lear.

Crazy times back then. UPS was making a killing back then too. I wonder how far management will take it this time.

That will only last for so long. If there are no drivers the packages won't move. They tried to cover our strike with management that didn't work to well for them. I can tell you that drivers are being laid off due to the low volume.

 

[FCNelson]

Hey InstructorDude:

I think you should bring EMBSKILLZ out of retirement!

 

[ArtVandalay]

they will not furlough one ups pilot, mark my word-- 54 million in cost savings is nothing.

What makes you think this is about money? Cutting jobs to save money is one thing but, cutting jobs due to being overstaffed is another. I believe what you have is a staffing problem, not a money problem.

 

[pony251]

What makes you think this is about money? Cutting jobs to save money is one thing but, cutting jobs due to being overstaffed is another. I believe what you have is a staffing problem, not a money problem.

Yeah, we have a staffing problem. We ran out of reserves on the Bus last week and we had to JA and use Emergency Mgt Flying. Let's drop 300 IPA guys and see how this works out before peak.

 

[ERJDRVR]

If 300 pilots were furloughed, how far back would that go? 2003? 2005?

October 06