30 to 40 seat turboprop drivers please speak up.

[bizicmo]

The CommutAir Dash-8 pay rates just came out and I was wondering what other 30 to 40 seat turboprop guys get. I looked at the rates given on airlinepilotcentral.com but I want to hear from the pilots themselves what their payscales are?

 

[doug_or]

my payscales are exactly what APC says they are.

 

[bizicmo]

where are you at?

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

QX:
1st year - $28.52
2nd year - $32.04
3rd year - $33.22
4th year - $34.40
5th year - $35.58
6th year - Well, if you're still on the 200 payscale after year 5, then it REALLY sucks to be you.

The CommutAir Dash-8 pay rates just came out...

Would you mind sharing?

 

[silverfish]

Captain / First Officer​

1(dollars)37.00 (dollars)19.00 ((dollars)21 after 90 days)
2(dollars)38.20 (dollars)22.00
3(dollars)40.40 (dollars)23.00
4(dollars)41.60 (dollars)24.00
5(dollars)42.80 (dollars)25.00
6(dollars)44.00 (dollars)26.00
7(dollars)45.20 (dollars)27.00
8(dollars)46.40 (dollars)28.00
9(dollars)47.60 (dollars)29.00
10(dollars)48.80 (dollars)30.00
11(dollars)50.00
12(dollars)51.20
13(dollars)52.40
14(dollars)53.60
15(dollars)54.80
16(dollars)56.00
17(dollars)57.20
18(dollars)58.40
19(dollars)59.60
20(dollars)60.80
21(dollars)62.00


Pretty sad

 

[labbats]

Dude, it's Commutair. What were you expecting? I seriously don't understand how they get anyone to stay there, let alone apply there when every other regional hires at 1000 hours anymore.

 

[cq43vt17t]

Freedom/Mesa is as follows for the 100 and 200

yrs CA FO
1 39.16/18.88
2 40.68/21.22
3 42.16/22.87
4 43.89/24.58
5 45.46/25.30
6 47.05
7 48.36
8 49.71
9 51.05
10 52.38
11 53.81
12 54.98
13 55.82
14 56.69

 

[doug_or]

where are you at?

PDT, but it doesn't really matter. If I was at QX I'd be getting paid what it says on APC. If I was @ ... nevermind. You get the idea.

 

[Peter Griffin]

is this doug from mccutcheon?

Anyways, SKYW Brasilia pay is exactly as APC states. Seems to be a pretty accurate site.

 

[mckpickle]

Are those the rates that you negotiat.......AH WAIT, nevermind.

 

[WSurf]

If they have to same workrules to go along with those $hitty pay rates then it will be sad...
When I was there........ No DeadHead Pay, No Block or Better, No CX pay, No Duty Rigs or Min. Day Pay! I was making around 270.00 bucks a week flying the 1900's. (How can you live off 14k a year)..... I couldn't pay to live and pay my bills!!

Have the workrules changed at all?

Are the FA rates higher then the FOs? And I hope they don't get any girls from PLB to be FA's!!! Grrrrr, I can see all the chicks with the 80's hair do's!!

 

[NEDude]

Are those the rates that you negotiat.......AH WAIT, nevermind.

Yeah, we could have had won the union vote if all of those ExpressJet guys who were on property at CommutAir hadn't decided that they should stay out of it. Not voting is the same as a no vote. If only 10 more of them had decided to vote.....

 

[Prop2Jet]

Colgan: Fo first year is 21, then second year is 23. Not too bad considering you upgrade in about 14-16 months. Then you get 2nd year captain's pay- I believe that to be 42 or 43 an hour with a 75 hour guarantee.

 

[Prop2Jet]

NEDUDE your avatar scares me!

 

[Beech_boy]

Work rules

Has anyone, in the history of aviation, heard of a company that has different work rules for the different types of aircraft they fly? I'm not talking about pay, I'm talking about work rules, such as, say, longevity pay?

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

Prop 14 to 16 months? You have been at Colgan almost 14 and you aren't on the list through 17 months so what are you talking about? Upgrade is 3 to 4 years just came out on the conference call yesterday.

 

[doug_or]

is this doug from mccutcheon?

yeah, who the hell are you?


Anyway, I was drunk and angry last night hope I didn't rub anyone the wrong way.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Prop 14 to 16 months? You have been at Colgan almost 14 and you aren't on the list through 17 months so what are you talking about? Upgrade is 3 to 4 years just came out on the conference call yesterday.

So, are the street CA advertisements I'm constantly reading B.S.? For a future furloughed guy, I'm curious.

 

[CA1900]

Yeah, we could have had won the union vote if all of those ExpressJet guys who were on property at CommutAir hadn't decided that they should stay out of it. Not voting is the same as a no vote. If only 10 more of them had decided to vote.....

Exactly. There were enough ExpressJet guys on property that just them, plus the dozen of us on the union organizing committee, would have been over 50% of the pilot group. We hit 43%, and many of our own pilots voted yes, so you can thank your own pilots for our lack of progress, mckpickle. We've been down this road before. :angryfire

Ironically, your own pilots sabotaging our union campaign is the very reason our proposed costs to replace some of XJT's CLE flying are lower than they would otherwise have been. Indirectly, your own guys are responsible for XJT being underbid.

When I was there........ No DeadHead Pay, No Block or Better, No CX pay, No Duty Rigs or Min. Day Pay!

They've had cancellation pay and 3-hour min day pay for at least 7 years. The rest of the stuff, you're absolutely right, and I agree it's BS.

 

[Master Shake]

CA1900, I hear what you are saying. But in all fairness if you were ALPA and had higher costs, the bid would've gone to Regions Air instead. The accountants have unrestricted authority at CAL. Enjoy the Dash, it's a sweet ride.

 

[ReverseSensing]

QX:
1st year - $28.52
2nd year - $32.04
3rd year - $33.22
4th year - $34.40
5th year - $35.58
6th year - Well, if you're still on the 200 payscale after year 5, then it REALLY sucks to be you.

As P-Dawg alludes to, no 200 FO's in recent history have been on the 200 scale past year 3, so due to the tiering provisions of our CBA, the FO pay progression really goes more like this:

1st year - $28.52
2nd year - $32.04
Start of 3rd year - $33.22
End of 3rd year - $39.76 (this will be second year pay by early next year)
4th year - $40.89
5th year - $42.03
6th year - $46.92
And it continues, but then you're passing up upgrade, so I have no sympathy.

 

[rogerthat]

Exactly. There were enough ExpressJet guys on property that just them, plus the dozen of us on the union organizing committee, would have been over 50% of the pilot group. We hit 43%, and many of our own pilots voted yes, so you can thank your own pilots for our lack of progress, mckpickle. We've been down this road before. :angryfire


The XJT pilots did the right thing by staying out. It wasn't their company. Had ALPA been voted in, you would be whining about higher dues and that ALPA doesn't care about 1900 pilots. Go play with your snake.

 

[Quillpig]

The XJT pilots did the right thing by staying out. It wasn't their company.

There is no way to stay out of a union vote. You either vote yes, or you are counted as a no vote. Not voting means not supporting the union - which in this case was the union that got them the job at CommutAir.

 

[veneratio]

cant u guys try again to get a union. Those payscales are horrible.....

 

[illtake2]

Why should people care about airplanes with props?

 

[ces152]

because they are the future of regional airlines

 

[WSurf]

because they are the future of regional airlines

True.... 50 Seat RJ's have done its job.. Most will probably be parked in the desert..
Props will take most of the 1hr and less short hauls, RJ's with 70-90 Seats will take the longer runs.

 

[WSurf]

Has anyone, in the history of aviation, heard of a company that has different work rules for the different types of aircraft they fly? I'm not talking about pay, I'm talking about work rules, such as, say, longevity pay?

I was wondering if the company finally started paying for DH's, Block or Better and CX pay?

When I was there (7Years ago) we really wanted to get DH pay and Block or Better!!!
Has it changed???

 

[Peter Griffin]

CW from down the hall. Hows PDT treatin you?

 

[WSurf]

CW from down the hall. Hows PDT treatin you?

As well as a regional can treat you!!! Pm if your an ol' Commutair Dog!!!