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Avpilot said:
$122,274 Tax FREE. Working in the sandbox flying an Embraer Legacy. Blocked about 150 hours, if that. 3 months on / 1 month off... worked a total of about 40 days or so throughout the whole year.

$122,274 at 0% tax = about $175k or so before tax.
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I would not fly out there for $500k per year. Apple and oranges if you ask me.
 
QOL_is_great:) said:
Hope ya all can enjoy it since it could disappear tomorrow (i.e. medical gone, position or company). Keep focused on the important parts of life. More then this industry is out there for damn sure!!

The other day the USA lost eight and Canada lost five in an outpost in a $hithole of a land known as Afghaistan. Let's not forget our troops overseas allowing us to enjoy what we know here.

Take some of this great coin ya all brag about and buy a meal in the terminal for a soldier, airman, sailor or marine. This American Warrior is either going or coming for one of two $hitholes.
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Brother there is not a day that goes by that not one of us either appreciate our soldiers in harms way or think about our fellow pilots deployed overseas.. I am sure it is much more fun landing the bus in burbank than the c17 in the desert with some 72 virgin hopefull lobbing mortars just hoping to get lucky..

Cant imagine how fun it is to return with the 50 when the old toyota is sitting outside the fence.

Dont think one poster here is bragging.. I can tell you with certainty that I am not considering the fact that my other business that made me 6 figures is all but gone. Just thankful to have a job to support my family.

PS feel welcome to join in.. I would love to hear some frac numbers
 
And for some different flavor:

Year 4 (90%)/5 NJA C750 SIC on 18 day schedule

$88.3k plus about another $6k for per-diem which I don't count as income. This is not counting our 50% 401k match or our company paid insurance. Block hours 304.
 
I like that flavor dude.

NJA 8 year Capt. $153,000 - Includes W2, per diem (since there are adequate crew meals) and Sick Day sell back.

Plus 100% medical and $22.5k in 401K with match.

191 hours. 82 landings.
 
clickclickboom said:
Brother there is not a day that goes by that not one of us either appreciate our soldiers in harms way or think about our fellow pilots deployed overseas.. I am sure it is much more fun landing the bus in burbank than the c17 in the desert with some 72 virgin hopefull lobbing mortars just hoping to get lucky..

Cant imagine how fun it is to return with the 50 when the old toyota is sitting outside the fence.

Dont think one poster here is bragging.. I can tell you with certainty that I am not considering the fact that my other business that made me 6 figures is all but gone. Just thankful to have a job to support my family.

PS feel welcome to join in.. I would love to hear some frac numbers
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I know most don't forget, but I still had to pop some smoke and send out a reminder. If some of us, and I do, stop and pick up a meal for a guy or gal in uniform while in the terminal then it'll show how we care.

Happy New Year!!!
 
Flyby1206 said:
Some RJ guys stretch $15 for the whole 3 day trip easily (gotta love the dollar menu). When I lived in base I would bid 4day trips because the per diem was a big chunk of additional compensation compared to day trips.
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I spend about $35 to fill my lunch bag for a 4day trip and spend NOTHING while on the road. 2/3 of my per diem is income!







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FLYLOW22 said:
WOW! 900TT with landings every 10.9 hours? What kinda trips you bidding?!?! ;)
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Our secret international trips to Japan.:cool:

It didn't translate right. I had a bazillion more landings than the Frac dude. The rest was tongue and cheek...noting the obvious...not very well...suppose I'll keep my day job and leave the jokes to the DiceMan.:pimp:
 
Well whats the fractional dude's TAFB. We all know they do a lot of sitting. I'd just assume be busy. Not hating just saying... TAFB is a better comparison especially when comparing the airline world and the frac world.

Personally I'd rather have 8 hours of duty with 6 hours of flying than 16 hours of duty with 2 hours of flying. I'm guessing most would agree with that.
 
BOYCAPTAIN said:
15 yr FDX A300 Cpt....230K....286 block hrs...73 landings....i blocked more hours on my Sea-doos!!!:D
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$804 an hour

FLYLOW22 said:
I like that flavor dude.

NJA 8 year Capt. $153,000 - Includes W2, per diem (since there are adequate crew meals) and Sick Day sell back.

Plus 100% medical and $22.5k in 401K with match.

191 hours. 82 landings.
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$801 an hour

YES ! Now THOSE are the schedules and pay we should all aspire to get

That means you guys have more TIME at home for family, side-job, etc.

We all know money cannot buy time. Money can buy a lot, but it can't replace those missed school plays and softball games when we are on the road.

Anybody who is banging 150K+ to fly 300 hrs a year, my hat is off to them
 
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nonstop said:
Well whats the fractional dude's TAFB. We all know they do a lot of sitting. I'd just assume be busy. Not hating just saying... TAFB is a better comparison especially when comparing the airline world and the frac world.

Personally I'd rather have 8 hours of duty with 6 hours of flying than 16 hours of duty with 2 hours of flying. I'm guessing most would agree with that.
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Actually, hadn't calculated Time Away From Base but...

I spent 25% of my tours at home on my couch this year. Years in the past have been much busier.. also different fleets fly different missions. Some fly many transcons and the flight/duty ration you like prevail. Other fleets are like DC9s hopping up and down the East Coast. 14+ fleet types give the pilots a chance to pick their preference.

The hardest thing I had to adjust to from 121 was packing for a 7 day trip and being ready for anything from Aruba to Albany in a day.

91K is easy. 14 duty ON, 10 min OFF. Feels like 121 meets 135. Get tired? We fatigue out. No questions asked. Ever.

It's been a good 8 years. Not all perfect but good.

2 hour show this morning to do a flight from TX to CO... back to TX and done. Easy. No hourly pay, just a daily rate whether we turned a wheel or had a day where the "wheels come off".
 
QOL_is_great:) said:
Hope ya all can enjoy it since it could disappear tomorrow (i.e. medical gone, position or company). Keep focused on the important parts of life. More then this industry is out there for damn sure!!

The other day the USA lost eight and Canada lost five in an outpost in a $hithole of a land known as Afghaistan. Let's not forget our troops overseas allowing us to enjoy what we know here.

Take some of this great coin ya all brag about and buy a meal in the terminal for a soldier, airman, sailor or marine. This American Warrior is either going or coming for one of two $hitholes.
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Well said!
 
nonstop said:
Well whats the fractional dude's TAFB. We all know they do a lot of sitting. I'd just assume be busy. Not hating just saying... TAFB is a better comparison especially when comparing the airline world and the frac world.

Personally I'd rather have 8 hours of duty with 6 hours of flying than 16 hours of duty with 2 hours of flying. I'm guessing most would agree with that.
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True, I was in the frac world for 4yrs corprate for 5yrs before going to the airlines and loved it. The boy's and girls in the frac world may fly less but i think it is more work than the airlines. Bags, your own flight planning, (unless your work at netjets) coffee papers ice, pulling cover off in the snow, brushing off the snow, jumping on the wing to make sure the fan is not frozing so you can get a N1 indication, worring about did the FBO put the plane in for the night. Oh don't forget the cabin! Kids, chips, popcorn, M&Ms crushed on the floor with dog hair, can you say industrial vac, or mabey duck tape please! FBO ROTTTTTTTT no thanks! These are just some of the things i don't miss but it was a challange. I will say cool airplanes and great people and fun doing it. Average duty for me now is 8.36 hours a day and flew 650 hours for the year, as supposed to 350 hrs but with a lot more BS involved.
 
1st/2nd yr wn fo- $85k

agreed. I lack credibility bc of who I fly for, but I think days and time off are way more important than block. My favorite part of Swa schedules are that they don't reverse our sleep schedules- either am or pm. 8 hrs block gets done in a 10 hr duty day, instead of 14 and when I get done with a 3 day trip, I'm more rested after doing more flying than my previous domestic hub and spoke 4 days. No more zombie days after the trip. It's nice.
 
BrokenWing said:
B6 7-year CA

184.4 hours flown

749.5 hours TAFB (imo, the true measure of how much you're working)

$155K
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I agree - that's less than 3 days a month gone - outstanding.

5/6 YR FDX FO, $164K not counting 401K, pension, per diem, etc.
average 9 days gone/month
340 block hours
 
2009 Summary:

W2 Income = "Mr. Blutarsky....$0.0"

Block = 15.8 hrs

TAFB = 624 hrs / 26 days

- Florida vacation = 6 days
- Michigan vacation = 8 days
- Missouri vacation = 4 days
- Belgium/Holland ( working ) vacation = 6 days ( See above: "Block" )
- Wisconsin/Lake Michigan boating vacation = 2 days

( I had to take a lot of vacations because being at home all the time can be very stressful. I'm not kidding either. )


Sometimes I think Life sucks....Other times, not so much.

:)


YKW
 
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JB FO 2 yr
RSV all year

52k

2001-61k - regional capt
2002-47k - regional capt on rsv all year
2003-34k - fractional fo
2004-36k- fractional fo
2005-40k- fractional fo
2006-42k-fractional fo
2007-19k - fractional fo on 8 month loa due to downsizing
2008-40k -jb 1st year

Aviation sucks, to all newbies, please stay away, your family will thank you
 

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