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[Mamma]

I think it's really funny that the facts disprove everything your group sez. Now you have a new point of view, but before the age change all we heard was how unsafe it would be to let pilot's fly past age 60. Of course you know, I knew, and everybody knew that was all BS. 5-years post the age change, age-65 is now proven to not be a safety issue.

Your current argument is, again, BS, and just reaching for straws to justify your bad luck. Again, as I have said, it's just the way an airline career goes. Some get lucky in their careers and some don't. I missed the good luck on the date for the age change, and as I have said, if I was hired 4-weeks earlier I would not have ever been furloughed. Instead, I was furloughed and had 15-years of stagnation once recalled. I also had a large portion of my pension taken by the young ALPA crowd. Yes, we sued ALPA, a they had to pay $50+ million for their actions but the pilots only recovered pennies on the dollar. But with all this bad luck, I'm not inclined to blame anyone for that. Unjustly though, your group just continually sez that you are paying for the good life of others.

Mamma, get a life and be happy. You have a flying job. You get to fly a jet. How cool is that? Others clean your jet inside and out, others do your jet's flight planning, others fuel your jet, others deal with the passengers and their problems, others load the bags, others arrange for your transportation and hotels; and then, all you do is walk to the jet, get in the cockpit, put on your white flying gloves and fly. It doesn't get much better than that. Yes, you are right, white gloves are optional.

Some crew are happy with that dream job, but I'm sure that you and most of your friends here at FI, once they get to FL180, do nothing but complain. First it's about the crew desk, then dispatch, management, the F/A's, your spouse, your kids, the Union, Obama and of course, the guys who are flying past age-60 and how you are paying for that.

Mamma, your life sounds terrible but really, if you look at it, you're a lucky person. How would you like to be stuck in a cubical all day like so many are. Flying sure beats that.

My life sounds terrible? Riiiiiight....

I'm not a geezer sitting around in his diapers posting senile crap. I'm going to have to bow out of this chat as you are all over the place with false accusations, misplaced "wisdom" and a massive inability towards reading comprehension. I tried to explain this in terms a small child could understand but it is failing to sink in with you. Good luck with your future.

 

[Flopgut]

The old, senior, captains took a windfall. Most all of them did so completely ungraciously, BUT they already lost their asses [$], and were more than halfway to complete aholes anyway. For everyone else: Is it not most correct to say no one benefits from 65 until they work past 60? Even a kid who solos today? That's kind if how I view it anyway. Like in my own case, I figure if I'm out at 60 then I've not been a hypocrite (something I wish to avoid*)

Also, the safety issue: I believe what we're seeing in the world today is that the entire system is strained. The human endeavor of getting an airliner from a to b is faltering. We've seen specific airlines and Countries move more toward world standards that are laxed and I think we're going to see that stop. ICAO, and trying to match ICAO "standards" is a mistake in my opinion. This was a safer business when we didn't feel a need to follow or change our long standing rules to match anyone else's. We know age 60 had a perfect record. Are we going to have 40+ years of status quo to learn as much about 65? I hope so, but more than likely we'll see a health component levied that will over ride a basic maximum age.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The old, senior, captains took a windfall. Most all of them did so completely ungraciously, BUT they already lost their asses [$], and were more than halfway to complete aholes anyway. For everyone else: Is it not most correct to say no one benefits from 65 until they work past 60? Even a kid who solos today? That's kind if how I view it anyway. Like in my own case, I figure if I'm out at 60 then I've not been a hypocrite (something I wish to avoid*)

Also, the safety issue: I believe what we're seeing in the world today is that the entire system is strained. The human endeavor of getting an airliner from a to b is faltering. We've seen specific airlines and Countries move more toward world standards that are laxed and I think we're going to see that stop. ICAO, and trying to match ICAO "standards" is a mistake in my opinion. This was a safer business when we didn't feel a need to follow or change our long standing rules to match anyone else's. We know age 60 had a perfect record. Are we going to have 40+ years of status quo to learn as much about 65? I hope so, but more than likely we'll see a health component levied that will over ride a basic maximum age.

Flopgut: I must comment that most all of your posts show some thought and understanding of the industry.

 

[808pilot]

of all the things said so far this is the best... i think about his everytime i see the agents and cleaners dealing with all the nonsense... but pilots love to bitch... we are really good at it...

quote: You have a flying job. You get to fly a jet. How cool is that? Others clean your jet inside and out, others do your jet's flight planning, others fuel your jet, others deal with the passengers and their problems, others load the bags, others arrange for your transportation and hotels; and then, all you do is walk to the jet, get in the cockpit, put on your white flying gloves and fly. It doesn't get much better than that. Yes, you are right, white gloves are optional.

Some crew are happy with that dream job, but I'm sure that you and most of your friends here at FI, once they get to FL180, do nothing but complain. First it's about the crew desk, then dispatch, management, the F/A's, your spouse, your kids, the Union, Obama and of course, the guys who are flying past age-60 and how you are paying for that.

 

[808pilot]

and i'm not targeting anyone specific...

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

of all the things said so far this is the best... i think about his everytime i see the agents and cleaners dealing with all the nonsense... but pilots love to bitch... we are really good at it...

quote: You have a flying job. You get to fly a jet. How cool is that? Others clean your jet inside and out, others do your jet's flight planning, others fuel your jet, others deal with the passengers and their problems, others load the bags, others arrange for your transportation and hotels; and then, all you do is walk to the jet, get in the cockpit, put on your white flying gloves and fly. It doesn't get much better than that. Yes, you are right, white gloves are optional.

Some crew are happy with that dream job, but I'm sure that you and most of your friends here at FI, once they get to FL180, do nothing but complain. First it's about the crew desk, then dispatch, management, the F/A's, your spouse, your kids, the Union, Obama and of course, the guys who are flying past age-60 and how you are paying for that.

I'm so glad someone likes one of my comments. Thank you.

 

[kwick]

The old, senior, captains took a windfall. Most all of them did so completely ungraciously, BUT they already lost their asses [$], and were more than halfway to complete aholes anyway. For everyone else: Is it not most correct to say no one benefits from 65 until they work past 60? Even a kid who solos today? That's kind if how I view it anyway. Like in my own case, I figure if I'm out at 60 then I've not been a hypocrite (something I wish to avoid*)

Also, the safety issue: I believe what we're seeing in the world today is that the entire system is strained. The human endeavor of getting an airliner from a to b is faltering. We've seen specific airlines and Countries move more toward world standards that are laxed and I think we're going to see that stop. ICAO, and trying to match ICAO "standards" is a mistake in my opinion. This was a safer business when we didn't feel a need to follow or change our long standing rules to match anyone else's. We know age 60 had a perfect record. Are we going to have 40+ years of status quo to learn as much about 65? I hope so, but more than likely we'll see a health component levied that will over ride a basic maximum age.

Dude, you are a hypocrite because you will work past age 60, which is your
right in a free America!

You should concentrate on being the best pilot that you can be and not worry
about the more experienced, more senior pilots.

The law passed unaminously in Congress, probably because they wanted the
safety of experienced pilots flying the American public.

They don't want Whiney, inexperienced pilots ruining our good safety record!

 

[Flopgut]

Dude, you are a hypocrite because you will work past age 60, which is your
right in a free America!

You should concentrate on being the best pilot that you can be and not worry
about the more experienced, more senior pilots.

The law passed unaminously in Congress, probably because they wanted the
safety of experienced pilots flying the American public.

They don't want Whiney, inexperienced pilots ruining our good safety record!

I'm pretty sure if they delved into enough of your FI posts, you'd be next up for a brain scan. You're a complete whacko.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The law passed unaminously in Congress, probably because they wanted the
safety of experienced pilots flying the American

You're going to invoke the United States Congress as a measure of sound decision making and righteousness!?

I just shot my coffee out of my nose.

 

[SIG600]

You're going to invoke the United States Congress as a measure of sound decision making and righteousness!?

I just shot my coffee out of my nose.

Nailed it.

 

[flyboyike]

You're going to invoke the United States Congress as a measure of sound decision making and righteousness!?

I must admit I, too, found the Congress argument somewhat less than compelling.

 

[kwick]

I'm pretty sure if they delved into enough of your FI posts, you'd be next up for a brain scan. You're a complete whacko.

"Gear Down!"

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

You're going to invoke the United States Congress as a measure of sound decision making and righteousness!?

What Congress did was simply vote in for the USA a retirement age rule for pilots that was consistent with the ICAO age-65 rule, which was already in near worldwide use as of December, 2006. Otherwise, it just didn't make sense for an American pilot to be forced to retire at age 60 and then be able to fly into the USA as long as he/she was flying an airplane of non-USA registry.

Now, the age-65 rule is a standard, worldwide.

Our FAA failed totally on this, and it was the Congress that made things right.

 

[gutshotdraw]

What Congress did was simply vote in for the USA a retirement age rule for pilots that was consistent with the ICAO age-65 rule, which was already in near worldwide use as of December, 2006. Otherwise, it just didn't make sense for an American pilot to be forced to retire at age 60 and then be able to fly into the USA as long as he/she was flying an airplane of non-USA registry.

Now, the age-65 rule is a standard, worldwide.

Our FAA failed totally on this, and it was the Congress that made things right.

No, it's not standard. There are Geritol drinking fossils flying jets all over the planet well past the age of 65. The FAA, Congress, and ICAO have ALL failed on this issue.

 

[Flopgut]

"Gear Down!"

Don't you mean to try and say something like "preflight check?" Or something only a captain might say?