1261 days to go!

[pilotyip]

WHERE. DO. YOU. DRAW. THE. LINE?

Same as you do in a free country, where I want to.

 

[Flopgut]

Yip: Do you want to die at the controls of an airplane?

 

[Quimby]

Welcome back, holidays is over, back to the games. Ah! yes the famous safety banner, whenever there is little data to support your point and you have to make a point, wave the safety banner. Why because no one can be against safety, it like motherhood, baseball, and fluffy kittens. :laugh:What was dodged?

Oh! good you found the famous over 60 accident due to a crew screw up that has been posted on this site a 100 times. How many under age 65 crew screw ups would I have to post to show all crews do this regardless of age. I will start with the CAL DC-9 gear up landing at IAH in 1996, How about the AE BE-31 at RDU in 1994, or the UAL DC-8 at Portland in 1978.


Remember if things work out for you, you also may have the option of joining the "over the hill gang"

Yes, I found the over 60 accident. Everyone makes mistakes. For you to say that two over 60's would have fixed anything is pure BS and you know it.

Everyone makes mistakes.

right back at ya'.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Yip: Do you want to die at the controls of an airplane?

Probably. Sad part is, he and people like him will probably take a few (or a lot) of innocents with him when he does.

 

[pilotyip]

Probably. Sad part is, he and people like him will probably take a few (or a lot) of innocents with him when he does.

It would unprecedented in the history of air carrier operations with two-man crews for this to happen. In fact it almost unprecedented in the history of flying with two-man crews. I am sure if I am wrong we will see an immediate post of this 93 year old guy flying home from Oshkosh in the airplane he build crashing over Alabama.

The reality is I will fly as long as I can I am still living a child hood dream. I will make the decision, along with my AME and my Check Airman on when it is time to stop flying. You can wave the safety flag, jump on your high horse about how dangerous the old piltos are. In fact you could start an anti-old pilot lobby group to get the laws changed. But there is almost no history of older pilots dying at the controls and crashing. That is the reality of the world that you have to live with.


BTW there is the old joke of a pilot dying at the controls of his airplane and not screaming all the way down like his passengers:laugh:

 

[nordo_2]

Probably. Sad part is, he and people like him will probably take a few (or a lot) of innocents with him when he does.

Yip, say it ain't so..

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, say it ain't so..

It ain't so, OK here is the deal, I promise not to do it, if everyone under the age of 60 promises not to do it also.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Same as you do in a free country, where I want to.

And if you think we live in a free country, you're more delusional than I thought....

 

[pilotyip]

And if you think we live in a free country, you're more delusional than I thought....

Well relatively speaking we are free, compared to many countries where many of things we post here would result in the poster disappearing. So for the mean time we are still free to express ourslves.

 

[flyboyike]

What was dodged? Really?

Yip, I'll type slowly and in full caps so you'll get it.

WHERE. DO. YOU. DRAW. THE. LINE???

80? 90? WHERE?

Amazing how the geezers seem so desperately unable to answer even the simplest of questions, isn't it?

 

[pilotyip]

Lets celebrate another good year coming, age 70

Amazing how the geezers seem so desperately unable to answer even the simplest of questions, isn't it?

OK OK OK I will draw the line at 100 years old all pilots should not be allowed have a medical and can only fly as sport pillots.

BTW Becoming a "geezer" is not a bad thing compared to the only other alternative.

 

[flyboyike]

OK OK OK I will draw the line at 100 years old all pilots should not be allowed have a medical and can only fly as sport pillots.

Well, at least you finally took an actual position on the issue. That's a start.

 

[pilotyip]

Well, at least you finally took an actual position on the issue. That's a start.

What will be the end if that is a start at 100 years old?

 

[Flopgut]

OK OK OK I will draw the line at 100 years old all pilots should not be allowed have a medical and can only fly as sport pillots.

Perfect! I couldn't agree more. Now, why don't you scale the appropriateness of this limit of 100+ to fly Sport only, to Private, then Commercial, and then all the way out to ATP FAR 121. Where do you think you'll end up? Factor what might have constituted an ethical approach to increasing retirement age, since only 4 pilots were over age 60 when that became the limit. Consider also that the argument of discrimination and/or love of flying hardly occur outside someone that is not already extremely senior. So account for both greed and proper ethics...

What will be the end if that is a start at 100 years old?

Right back at age 60 Yip!!!

 

[pilotyip]

Right back at age 60 Yip!!!

pure "get out of my seat", so much for greed

 

[Chest Rockwell]

If anyone that thinks that age 60 was a good rule they should produce an intellegent justification for restoring it. Start an effort just like the one that changed 60 to 65. Be prepared to spend alot of time (10-20 years) and effort.

There have been changes to 14 CFR Part 61, 91, 121, and many other areas that have impacted all of our careers. While venting about it here has serves some purpose, it will not change any law.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Look what the AGE-65 rule has done!

From the Wall Street Journal

(WSJ)Airline travel is now the safest it has been since the dawn of jet planes, with the global airline industry set to mark its lowest rate of fatal accidents since the early 1960s.

The U.S. hasn't had a fatal accident since a commuter plane crashed near Buffalo, N.Y., in 2009.

Experience Counts

 

[SIG600]

From the Wall Street Journal

(WSJ)Airline travel is now the safest it has been since the dawn of jet planes, with the global airline industry set to mark its lowest rate of fatal accidents since the early 1960s.

The U.S. hasn't had a fatal accident since a commuter plane crashed near Buffalo, N.Y., in 2009.

Experience Counts

And there are thousands of guys with as much or more experience waiting for you guys who pulled the ladder up behind you, to move on.

 

[pilotyip]

And there are thousands of guys with as much or more experience waiting for you guys who pulled the ladder up behind you, to move on.

No there isn't, the expereinced will be replaced by inexpereinced. When that AAL CA with 10K of MD-80 PIC time retires, he will be replaced by someone with no MD-80 PIC time, who has been sitting the right seat of a &&& for 10 years. The same applies to every major airline out there, the junior equipmnet PIC will be most likely replaced by the senior equipment SIC

 

[flyboyike]

No there isn't, the expereinced will be replaced by inexpereinced. When that AAL CA with 10K of MD-80 PIC time retires, he will be replaced by someone with no MD-80 PIC time, who has been sitting the right seat of a &&& for 10 years. The same applies to every major airline out there, the junior equipmnet PIC will be most likely replaced by the senior equipment SIC

Is your point that the Mad Dog is so extremely challenging that someone with ten years of 767 SIC time can't hack it or what?