1261 days to go!

[say again]

Packers 17 Dallas 7. It's November again.

Dallas bites!!!!

 

[GuppyWN]

It's kind of funny. So many on Flight Info said they were against changing the retirement age for so many reasons and that they were never going to work past age 60, even if the law changed; but, in the end they are all untrue to those positions as I see almost no one is retiring at age-60. That means all those outspoken members of this Board who so loudly spoke against changing the age are hypocrites as they betrayed what they vocally advocated. Right? Or do I somehow have that wrong?

Yea, I know you're going to say that nowadays they have to work because of the lousy industry and their personal financial situations. But isn't that what those who wanted to work past age-60 said too; and, wasn't that said to be unacceptagle because those pilots should have planned better, never had 3 wives, etc, etc, etc.

This is really funny to see how people's tunes change as it's apparently only about themselves and money.

The sooner the "now" generation gets on down the road the closer the FO's are to retirement themselves.

Feel free to search my posts over the years and you'll see I've never waivered from fighting AGAINST raising the retirement. Plus I've always said it and I still mean it -

The day I can quit without taking a paycut I'm long gone!

Gup

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The sooner the "now" generation gets on down the road the closer the FO's are to retirement themselves.

Feel free to search my posts over the years and you'll see I've never waivered from fighting AGAINST raising the retirement. Plus I've always said it and I still mean it -

The day I can quit without taking a paycut I'm long gone!
Gup

Gup: With all the double negatives I'm not exactly sure what you've said. But I think you said that you will be working to age-65 because you can not afford to retire will less money than when you're working. Right?

And you were always in favor of raising the retirement age. Right?

 

[Quimby]

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[Whataburger]

Gup: With all the double negatives I'm not exactly sure what you've said. But I think you said that you will be working to age-65 because you can not afford to retire will less money than when you're working. Right?

And you were always in favor of raising the retirement age. Right?

Thank you for taking part in the GEEZERMETER. Try it for a few days. Can you get "1121" in before anyone else can? It's good clean fun.

BTW, cool Member's Only jacket. I think you're the last member. Congrats.:cartman:

 

[Whataburger]

It's kind of funny. So many on Flight Info said they were against changing the retirement age for so many reasons and that they were never going to work past age 60, even if the law changed; but, in the end they are all untrue to those positions as I see almost no one is retiring at age-60. That means all those outspoken members of this Board who so loudly spoke against changing the age are hypocrites as they betrayed what they vocally advocated. Right? Or do I somehow have that wrong?

Yea, I know you're going to say that nowadays they have to work because of the lousy industry and their personal financial situations. But isn't that what those who wanted to work past age-60 said too; and, wasn't that said to be unacceptagle because those pilots should have planned better, never had 3 wives, etc, etc, etc.

This is really funny to see how people's tunes change as it's apparently only about themselves and money.

All ours said, "I'm done at 62." Their still here. They can't leave so they don't. Their's no way there leaving before 65. It's all about the Benjamins.


"unacceptangle" - cool word but "unfriend" won for 2009s cool new word.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Their still here. (wrong word)
You are correct. All the old guys lied.

It's the old guys and the young guys like you who are just full of BS and don't even know it. You for example have said you're out of here at 62. That is not a lie but it is most likely not correct unless you are Nosterdamus. The reality is that all the captains tell the F/O's that they are going to retire at 62. That is pure BS with maybe a sliver of truth as in wishful dreaming. The truth is that they don't want to piss their F/o's off by saying they're going to be there for 5 more years; tough luck for you. When age 62 comes around they will always have an excuse about some hard luck story. That time is coming up starting this December. Get ready for the stories. Very few (exept maybe at AA where they still have a pension or maybe a guy with a communte from hell) are going to retire before age-65. Why would they?

 

[Whataburger]

It's the old guys and the young guys like you who are just full of BS and don't even know it. You for example have said you're out of here at 62. That is not a lie but it is most likely not correct unless you are Nosterdamus. The reality is that all the captains tell the F/O's that they are going to retire at 62. That is pure BS with maybe a sliver of truth as in wishful dreaming. The truth is that they don't want to piss their F/o's off by saying they're going to be there for 5 more years; tough luck for you. When age 62 comes around they will always have an excuse about some hard luck story. That time is coming up starting this December. Get ready for the stories. Very few (exept maybe at AA where they still have a pension or maybe a guy with a communte from hell) are going to retire before age-65. Why would they?

Point out where I said I was out of here at 62.

How am I full of B.S.?

thx.

ps. Most of our guys will stay til 65, no doubt. Who in their right mind would give up $200,000+ a year to work here? It is very easy to change our lines including dropping trips. Guys could make $100,000/yr easily here and hardly ever work.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Point out where I said I was out of here at 62.
How am I full of B.S.?

This is what you said.

All ours said, "I'm done at 62." Their still here.

The fact is that since the law was changed in December, 2007 there is not a single age 62 pilot on the property at SWA. The oldest anyone could be at SWA is 61.

 

[Bake]

That is not true. SWA rehired some who had already retired. So yes, we have some over 62 at SWA.

 

[pilotyip]

sounds like Adam Smith, looking out for one's own self interest in ever economic decision.

 

[Quimby]

sounds like Adam Smith, looking out for one's own self interest in ever economic decision.

Back to the topic at hand......


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[UndauntedFlyer]

That is not true. SWA rehired some who had already retired. So yes, we have some over 62 at SWA.

They were hired only as F/O's on the bottom of the list so I wouldn't count that. What a screw job!

 

[Sandhawk]

They were hired only as F/O's on the bottom of the list so I wouldn't count that. What a screw job!

I guess the stagnation and furloughs of thousands of pilots due to the age change pales in comparison to your geriatric ass getting "wrongfully" booted at age 60 off the top of the list? You knew the rules when you started........



:smash:

Now GTFOOMYSMFOB

 

[Whataburger]

This is what you said.



The fact is that since the law was changed in December, 2007 there is not a single age 62 pilot on the property at SWA. The oldest anyone could be at SWA is 61.

I meant to say, "All of out THAT said....."

I omitted the word "that."

I will leave sometime between next week and age 66.

I've flown with guys that said orginally they would leave at 62. But aren't going to now.

 

[texman]

I meant to say, "All of out THAT said....."

I omitted the word "that."

I will leave sometime between next week and age 66.

I've flown with guys that said orginally they would leave at 62. But aren't going to now.

The oldest guy at swa is 64

 

[Whataburger]

The oldest guy at swa is 64

Retread right?

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

You knew the rules when you started........

Not true because all the rules changed.

Personally, I'm glad to not have to put up with all the crap nowadays. Trust me on this; it really is good to be gone. Whether a pilot is on the top or the bottom of the list, it’s bad.

This career is now a life of uncertainty and borderline hell. A pilot can go from the top of their career to joblessness at the bottom in the blink of an eye by just picking up the newspaper to see their company is selling half the fleet.

Every pilot who is currently on furlough had a good job before they came to a Delta, American, NWA, UAL, UPS, SWA, Alaska, any good regional airline, etc; and while on furlough they are in a period of uncertainty, unable to get back to were they were anytime in the foreseeable future, with an element of doubt as to whether they will even want to come back again at all, just to go through hell again and again.

What to you do when you've given up your good 10-year captain job at a regional airline to move to a major and then get furloughed quickly? Do you go back to the bottom at a Regional if that’s even possible? Do you become a school teacher or a stay-at-home dad or mom? That situation is hell for those people, and unfortunately most everyone on furlough has a similar situation, maybe even repeated twice or more. It's truly awful.

Yes, age-65 was a screw job for many pilots, but so was age-60 in the first place when it was first enacted. At that time, 100% of pilots fought any age restrictions.

Now, because of the current situation with the eliminations of the defined benefit retirement (pension) plans, age-65 is really what every pilot has to have to financially survive. Nowadays, in this economic market for pilots, quitting (retiring) early is no longer an option. Age-65 retirement has become a necessity driven by big businesses efforts to crush the pilot profession of high paying jobs. In the future, pilot careers will be at school teacher wages.

Pilots can no longer be in this business for the money, it will have to be for the love of the game.

 

[pilotyip]

fly because you like to

Not true because all the rules changed.

Personally, I'm glad to not have to put up with all the crap nowadays. Trust me on this; ............Pilots can no longer be in this business for the money, it will have to be for the love of the game.

Fly because you like to......... you may be disappointed

 

[Flopgut]

Interesting factoid at CAL: I went back to the right seat and took a smaller paycut than the guys flying past 60 with frozen A Plans are now taking in their lump sums. I find myself surprised at the effect this has on the ones that aren't retiring (quite a few are). They can't quit, they can't work, and they can't get ahead. They could retire now or at 65, either way they're broke when they do. All they can do is get old. It's somewhat sad.