1224 statement on picking up open time.

[DC-9er]

DC-9er. You're not talking to a wall. I'm hearing what you have to say. First you said I was providing incorrect information about 1224 Local leaders picking up OPF while others are out on furlough. Then I provided you the proof and you backed off from that statement.

You claim there were union leaders picking up trips in March. That is simply not true. I didn't check anything outside of March until you pm'd me a trip in December, January, and April.

If you want to jump on your soapbox about those trips, then have at it.

 

[laserman2431]

You claim there were union leaders picking up trips in March. That is simply not true. I didn't check anything outside of March until you pm'd me a trip in December, January, and April.

If you want to jump on your soapbox about those trips, then have at it.

Apology accepted. By the way, there were some in March too. I won't be bothering to send more. The point has been made. BTW. I hope you were aware that we've had pilots out on furlough since Oct. 25th, 2008.

You see. There is a huge issue of trust here. There is $75,000,000 available for severance compensation. We are being represented by a small number of people who are negotiating with the company about how to distribute that money. The person/people negotiating on my behalf should be held to a higher standard. I am not accusing anybody of anything, but, the possibility for corruption does exist. That is a lot of money. The people in charge should be held to a higher standard. If they lack the integrity to forgo the OPF (other people's flying) then why should I think they have to integrity to negotiate a fair settlement?

Anyway. You seem like a person who knows the difference between right and wrong.

 

[DC-9er]

By the way, there were some in March too.

*sigh* No, there's not.

Anyone can look it up for themselves. Just go to the 1224 web site and look at the the leaders including the Committee Chairmen then check their lines.

That's obsolete. The website has not been updated since the new eboard took over


Laser, you've demonstrated repeatedly here and on other threads that you don't really know what's going on with the union. Like I told you in a p.m., post all you want. But when you're wrong, expect to be corrected. I won't even ask for an apology!

 

[laserman2431]

*sigh* No, there's not.


That's obsolete. The website has not been updated since the new eboard took over


Laser, you've demonstrated repeatedly here and on other threads that you don't really know what's going on with the union. Like I told you in a p.m., post all you want. But when you're wrong, expect to be corrected. I won't even ask for an apology!

Does it really matter? March, April, February. It's just as wrong in April as it is in March. That's why I see no need to send more data. I think it's you who have been corrected my friend. The situation is that union leaders are picking up OPF (other people's flying). Do you deny that fact? Do you denounce it as wrong? Don't worry about little things like if it happens in March or April. Look at the BIG picture.

As far as the info being obsolete, When I see UNBS (union business) and OPF (other people's flying) in the same month, that is a problem.

 

[DC-9er]

When I see UNBS (union business) and OPF (other people's flying) in the same month, that is a problem.

I would think you'd like to see UNBS. The more, the better for you. Because that means another pilot was needed to cover the trip

 

[laserman2431]

I would think you'd like to see UNBS. The more, the better for you. Because that means another pilot was needed to cover the trip

Sure. Every little bit helps. Let's just not cancel it out with the OPF (other people's flying).

The situation is that union leaders are picking up OPF (other people's flying). Do you deny that fact? Do you denounce it as wrong? Your silence on the issue would seem to be your answer.

What was the motto last year? "We're in Washington trying to save jobs?" How about "We're down at the Union Hall trying to save jobs?"

 

[Box-Hauler]

Did anyone watch the last meeting, I saw it on the web. Towards the end an issue was brought up about using union money to help pay for furloughed medical coverage. One suggestion was to "tax" or "asses" the OPF time at a huge rate to help pay for it...... What a great idea. Make people be unified via a tax......... if it works for the govmet it works for me........

Just a thought on how to "handle" the open flying crowed left in the union. "Asses" all OPF flying at 90% or even more. I vote for a 110% tax. That way if you pick up open time you actually spend some of your base pay to pay for the furlough fund...... brilliant.

 

[laserman2431]

Did anyone watch the last meeting, I saw it on the web. Towards the end an issue was brought up about using union money to help pay for furloughed medical coverage. One suggestion was to "tax" or "asses" the OPF time at a huge rate to help pay for it...... What a great idea. Make people be unified via a tax......... if it works for the govmet it works for me........

Just a thought on how to "handle" the open flying crowed left in the union. "Asses" all OPF flying at 90% or even more. I vote for a 110% tax. That way if you pick up open time you actually spend some of your base pay to pay for the furlough fund...... brilliant.

Box Hauler. I like the way you think! Treat them like a bunch of AIG executives.

I hope you're doing OK.

 

[ultrarunner]

Folks picking up open time goes back as far as furloughs. It cannot be prevented. And a union can not endorse any action that violates the 'status-quo'.

Concentrate on something you have control over. You'll be much better served!

Good luck

 

[laserman2431]

Folks picking up open time goes back as far as furloughs. It cannot be prevented. And a union can not endorse any action that violates the 'status-quo'.

Concentrate on something you have control over. You'll be much better served!

Good luck

It's OK. It doesn't hurt to increase awareness. It doesn't cost anything and it makes me feel good. Thanks for you support though.

 

[ABXbooger]

Laser, you are pissing in the wind, my friend. ABX is done. The union leadership at the time would not even talk about the option of no OPF. I spent 2 1/2 years on furlough and there were only 45 or so of us out. There were FO's flying 10-12 days of OPF. This was with almost 100 of our airplanes flying. Now theres a couple hundy of us out...you think there going to move on this?

 

[ABXbooger]

Regardless of the outcome, I love the fact that someone is talking about it.

I am beginning to think that both sides (mgmt and 1224) are hoping that the whole severance thing just goes away.

A true shame...

 

[laserman2431]

Regardless of the outcome, I love the fact that someone is talking about it.

I am beginning to think that both sides (mgmt and 1224) are hoping that the whole severance thing just goes away.

A true shame...

ABXBooger.

Thanks.

 

[RJP]

Sadly, they're not the only union group to do this over and over.

 

[abxaviator]

Just listened to JM's hotline. A notable difference in wording, it is no longer the "severance issue", but rather it is now the "pension and severance issue".

 

[laserman2431]

Just listened to JM's hotline. A notable difference in wording, it is no longer the "severance issue", but rather it is now the "pension and severance issue".

That doesn't sound good. In a previous message, they said they would put whatever they come up with to a vote. They said all furloughed would get to vote. That's the only hope against a complete screw job here.

 

[nitefr8dog]

That doesn't sound good. In a previous message, they said they would put whatever they come up with to a vote. They said all furloughed would get to vote. That's the only hope against a complete screw job here.

Laser, just give it a little time 1224 is working every angle right now. Be patient good things come to those who wait!

 

[laserman2431]

Laser, just give it a little time 1224 is working every angle right now. Be patient good things come to those who wait!

Would you like to elaborate?

 

[hvyav8tr]

nitecat

Laser, just give it a little time 1224 is working every angle right now. Be patient good things come to those who wait!

What angles would that be? What about the end
around play with DHL? Is that even possible?
I am not even sure what the union's proposal
is at this point. What changes have there been
in the unions severance proposal since Dec Jan
time frame if any. What if they never reach an
agreement, DHL keeps the 75 mil. I have found
out the severance money, if paid, will not have
any unemployment paid so far deducted, due to
a timeliness clause in the unemployment rules
concerning severance.

 

[xspud]

I have found
out the severance money, if paid, will not have
any unemployment paid so far deducted, due to
a timeliness clause in the unemployment rules
concerning severance.

My unemployment claims have been denied until late April, apparently because of the "furlough allowance" that we received. Haven't been able to get any information about whether or how to appeal this. Anyone else have a similar experience?

 

[hvyav8tr]

My unemployment claims have been denied until late April, apparently because of the "furlough allowance" that we received. Haven't been able to get any information about whether or how to appeal this. Anyone else have a similar experience?

XSPUD, When were you furloughed and what state did
you file in? I was furloughed Jan 14 and filed in Ohio.
I had several conversations with the unemployment
folks and they said this furlough allowance had not
been categorized by ABX and did not get UC benefits
until March 18, 6 weeks after compensation ceased
from ABX. At this point I received 5 weeks of UC in
one deposit. I thought this issue was settled, guess
not. You should get all your back UC benefits at some point

 

[xspud]

I was furloughed Feb 16 and I filed in Ohio.
The UC determination said I wouldn't receive benefits until April 18, so it sounds like my experience will be similar to yours. Good to hear that I might get back payment at that point.

 

[ABXbooger]

This is absolutely hilarious! Maybe there is something managed poorer than ABX.
I was furloughed Jan. 14 and did not receive UC until March. I also called and talked to the UC people. They were kind enough to tell me that ABX did not have to classify our "furlough allowance" as income, but they did and that delayed our UC by 6 weeks, or so. It also delayed ABX having to pay into the UC fund for 6 weeks...
I have received my 1 check per week since.
I talked to guys that immediately received UC, some that were asked to pay money back and others like myself that were delayed.

 

[nitefr8dog]

Would you like to elaborate?

No,or I would not have said to be patient.

 

[nitefr8dog]

What angles would that be? What about the end
around play with DHL? Is that even possible?
I am not even sure what the union's proposal
is at this point. What changes have there been
in the unions severance proposal since Dec Jan
time frame if any. What if they never reach an
agreement, DHL keeps the 75 mil. I have found
out the severance money, if paid, will not have
any unemployment paid so far deducted, due to
a timeliness clause in the unemployment rules
concerning severance.

What about some patience?

 

[mxer]

The problem is that these are the same angles that we have been "patient" on for the past year. Some of the issues have been longer than a year. Quite honestly, your be patient comments come off as a bit condesending to those of us on the street.

 

[nitefr8dog]

The problem is that these are the same angles that we have been "patient" on for the past year. Some of the issues have been longer than a year. Quite honestly, your be patient comments come off as a bit condesending to those of us on the street.

Do you play poker with your cards all face up? What I am saying is there is more to come.

 

[mxer]

Hope so. But, we have heard it before.

 

[laserman2431]

Hope so. But, we have heard it before.

I guess we're reluctant to get our hopes up too much. Some good news would be nice though.

 

[hvyav8tr]

What about some patience?

Some of our creditors are not quite as patient as
you seem to be. Correct me if I'm wrong but I get
the feeling you are not furloughed. The tone and
substance of the last hotline message does not sound
very promising concerning the severance issue. If
there is some secrete strategy or good news that is not
being discussed publicly great, but I don't get that vibe.