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JediNein

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For a CFI friend with 3000+ hours looking to change chairs before the music stops, which is better, 121 PIC or SIC?

The catch is PIC turboprop (mighty Beech 1900) or SIC in a nice shiny jet.

The goal is FedEx or Emery.

He wants to instruct in something bigger I guess. . .and, he's not a disabled [fill in appropriate socioeconomicly determined race] hairless midget with one arm, so he doesn't expect any preferences for his hiring.

Anyone have the FedEx mins from their last window? I've heard UPS wanted heavy PIC transoceanic time during their last, but how much?

Let's hear the votes, and the one with the best justification wins. . . a thanks?
 
Well the PIC seems obviously better as long as it's in turbine equipment, and the 1900 qualifies.

I wouldn't do it if it was Gulfstream though. It's not worth the experience to take a job at GIA and help them exploit the profession. So I would vote for the 1900 stree captain as long as it's not gulfstream, otherwise I'd go for the jet as long as it's not GoJet.
 
From what I have seen, Gulfstream captain rates are not horrible. What's the big deal? Great Lakes isn't exactly paying huge money for 1900s either. I say take the PIC turbine time. One caveat...I'd want to be darn sure that I would be able to pass 121 street captain training without getting a pink slip. That would not look very good to have a failure on your initial type ride. Go for the PIC!
 
AWACoff said:
From what I have seen, Gulfstream captain rates are not horrible. What's the big deal? Great Lakes isn't exactly paying huge money for 1900s either. I say take the PIC turbine time. One caveat...I'd want to be darn sure that I would be able to pass 121 street captain training without getting a pink slip. That would not look very good to have a failure on your initial type ride. Go for the PIC!
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Their rates are beside the point, the place is run by a scab and you will be babysitting people who paid for thier "job" in the right seat. I guess if those things don't bother you, then gulfstream is fine.
 
JediNein said:
For a CFI friend with 3000+ hours looking to change chairs before the music stops, which is better, 121 PIC or SIC?

The catch is PIC turboprop (mighty Beech 1900) or SIC in a nice shiny jet.

The goal is FedEx or Emery.

He wants to instruct in something bigger I guess. . .and, he's not a disabled [fill in appropriate socioeconomicly determined race] hairless midget with one arm, so he doesn't expect any preferences for his hiring.

Anyone have the FedEx mins from their last window? I've heard UPS wanted heavy PIC transoceanic time during their last, but how much?

Let's hear the votes, and the one with the best justification wins. . . a thanks?
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PIC, PIC, PIC!! always take 121 PIC over jet time... all the airlines wanna see you were a leader a commander. PIC is key, def can get some jet time too in there if u can.
 
He missing the 1500 hours turbine and one lunar landing for FedEx, but instructing in turboprops is right up his alley. Having 19 people in the back versus 7 doesn't make that much difference to him either.

Student pilots, airline pilots, what's the difference?
 
Biggest secret out there, jets are easier to fly, TP PIC proves you are the man
 
If he's got the time, tell him to go to OMNI (757's and DC-10's). Spend a few years then move on to UPS/Evergreen/FedEx/etc.
 
Flying Illini said:
If he's got the time, tell him to go to OMNI (757's and DC-10's). Spend a few years then move on to UPS/Evergreen/FedEx/etc.
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I heard those dudes at OMNI are hiring. How do you get hired, man?
 
Thanks all for the answers.

I'm asking for the friend 'cause I have way too much time on my hands and he doesn't. Thus, he has 3000+ hours and I don't. :cartman:
 
Get the PIC time. But don't over do the 1900 PIC. Get 1200 to 1500 hours and then move on to get some jet/efis/fms time if you haven't landed your dream job by then.

The simple fact is there are many pilots, for whatever reason, will not land their dream job. It is not always viloations, incidents or accidents that do you in, sometimes it is the simple misfortune of having the same last name (but no relation) as someone who is not well liked at your dream company. Not that I wouold know anything about that...

Anyhow there are many decent companies that, while maybe not your dream job, can provide a viable career. And many of them may want jet/efis/fms time.

In short, make yourself as well rounded and qualified as possible for the most jobs. In past hiring cycles, if you were coming from the civilain ranks and had jet time when applying to the majors, you were more of a novelty, most guys were t-prop drivers. Now if you don't have RJ time, you are in a tiny minority.
 
I'm not sure if this is still a factor with the hiring today, but a few years ago a lot of places wanted PIC time in turbine a/c over a certain weight...20,000lbs comes to mind, but not sure...either way the 1900 time didnt count because it was under that weight. Make sure that your buddy has made sure that there is no weight limit for the time the company wants.
 
There is this friend of mine that slept with a really fat stew, now he has this weird rash on his ...............I need some advice for my friend....
 

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