#1 Cause of injuries at FlexJet

[gipper6]

Pilot backstabbing.

 

[C604Pilot]

Are you going anywhere with this???

 

[ArtVandalay]

Wow. I've heard there are alot of company "whores" towards the top of the seniority list. Care to share your experience?

 

[gipper6]

My point is simple. Things are starting to improve and I can't stand it when I see pilots bad mouth fellow pilots in public or private for that matter. Specifically, I think we should be mature enough to handle things in person, not smile and talk trash when backs are turned. This kind of crap is cancer in the work environment. FlexJet seems to be turning the corner and needs leaders not gossipers. It's only a select few and you guys know who you are.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Since when are things starting to improve at flex? I still get home at 11pm, work 14 hour days, work 221 days a yeear, and the new schedule is NOT guaranteed in May. The ONLY thing that improved was the pay. Bad mouthing is not mature I agree; however, these guys that are "company whores" are not helping things.

I take it someone has been bad mouthing you?? You came on here to vent with no information.

 

[Peanut gallery]

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To many bags.....probably. That lower back can get it bad if I remember my corporate/135 days.

 

[netjetwife]

What about low morale?

Stress is often a culprit that attacks in disguise. You think the upset stomach was just something you ate? Maybe not. Have you been getting more headaches lately? Can it be that you're also taking a hard look at your job situation? Any problems sleeping? Low morale is far reaching and insidious. The results can be seen in the mind and the body. I think openly discussing legitimate complaints is much healthier than trying to sweep it all under the rug. If you do that long enough, you wind up tripping over that bump in the end ......

 

[Cautious Belly]

My wife has a job (and a lick of sense). She wouldn't be caught dead on this board.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Cautious....that's uncalled for. NJW has been kind enough to offer her support not only to the NJ guys but to everyone out there trudging through the muck of Factional Slop. She understands what we are going through first-hand....and she gives a damn!!!!!

Many of us say "Thank you" for saying eliquently what many of us think.

By the way NJW.....Happy Birthday!!!!!! 3/6/06 if I'm correct

 

[SCT]

NJW, With your non-stop union posting.....you are worse than ambulance chasing lawyers.

 

[Cautious Belly]

NJW's prolific posting here is pathological. Of course she is entitled to her opinion, and her opinions might even be well-reasoned and insightful (my opinion: they're not)... but I find it pretty bizarre for a non-employee to be so involved in all of the childish bickering that goes on this website.

She really ought to get out more. Maybe pay more attention to her kids, cook a meal, get a job, volunteer at the church... or whatever!

My wife has a job and there are issues with her employer about which I have opinions. But would I ever DREAM of discussing *her* job on a website? No way! I'm telling you, it's just nutty.

Don't believe me? Try to get your wife to post half as often as her.

 

[torchred]

Forget posting on here, I'd just like my wife to cook me a meal once in awhile.

 

[cjdriver]

Speaking of stress and its effects

When I decided to leave the frac biz and found another job, my mind and body saw the end near and I just couldn't take another week out on the road. It was then I realized how much stress the travelling was causing. It's amazing what you can take when you think you have to, and then when you realize you have a way out, you're just done. I don't know how you guys keep doing it year after year.

 

[netjetwife]

Volunteering is a good thing---

I give some of my time daily as part of an outreach committee for 1108. Volunteer does mean without pay for those of you with odd ideas about my motivation for participating in the discussion of the issues. And the next valid point--my kids? They are learning that there are important issues in life bigger than themselves. They are proud of their father's work with the union. From both of us, they are learning how to stand up for what you believe in, and how to fight for what is right. I think those lessons will serve them well throughout their lives. I do know another NJ wife who posts here from time to time. So what if many don't? My husband is also more active in 1108 than the vast majority of NJ pilots. Having the support of the entire family makes the demands on his time much easier on him. As others have pointed out, this forum offers insight and feedback on what the other frac pilots are going through. My husband doesn't have time to read the board, here, and appreciates the info I pass on to him.

I hope that answers question. I should save this post to reuse next time. The regulars are probably getting tired of the questions. My thanks to those from NJ who try to help explain my presence here. To all of you who offered birthday wishes, they are very much appreciated.
Netjetwife

 

[hammer2]

Hey this thread is about the backstabbing we do at Flex, not NJwife. Hi NJwife.

 

[SCT]

Hammer, It's always about NJW. She knows everything about the aviation business, just ask her. Rumor has it that WB is tapping her as the next NJ CEO......

 

[hammer2]

yeah, wonder how he made so much money. which now comes my rant. buffet promotes so many democrats, who are pro union but fought his employees so hard on their just due. now they loose 80 mil, I wonder if they loose 80mil again if he will approve lay offs next year and call it streamlining. buffet ur a hypocrite

 

[netjetwife]

Hi, Hammer! I post on topic, and my name would appear on threads a lot less often if some on the board would just "get over" my presence here. I agree with you that the thread is not about me, nor do I wish it to be. I also agree that WB is a hypocrite. The money was always there.

A good friend is working with the Flex organizers. BW is a great guy and will do his best by the Flex pilots.
I will look forward to his updates as y'all go thru the process of joining 1108.
Best Wishes,
Netjetwife

 

[Semore Butts]

Not here....

I never had any cases of "back stabbing" while I was there (that I know of).

A great bunch of pilots, great equipment. I just wasn't sure which way the company was headed.

 

[LAZYB]

How so?

I also agree that WB is a hypocrite. The money was always there.

Have you read much about Warren? He doesn't micro manage the companies he acquires. Looks for companies with a decided market advantage - usually number 1 or 2 in their prospective market. Good management (that's certainly subjective) i.e. Santulli - again, it's one's perspective. And lets the managers run the show.

From the ownership side, they sure got NJA pilots to work for nothing for a long time...And that was to WB's advantage.

Pilots have to look out for themselves, and it took them quite a while...

 

[netjetwife]

Knowledge of a large work force involved in a contentious contract battle can hardly qualify for micro-managing. Expansion of the fractional business was WB's stated goal. He certainly was aware that the resources were being used to fuel that growth, rather than fairly compensate the pilots. IF (and that's a huge stretch) he wasn't previously "in the know", then having NJ pilots picketing the BH shareholder's meeting in Omaha certainly DID get the message across. Pilots carrying signs that read "NetJets Pilots Seek Livable Wages" was a priceless sight impossible to miss.

 

[LAZYB]

OK, small words...

Knowledge of a large work force involved in a contentious contract battle can hardly qualify for micro-managing. Expansion of the fractional business was WB's stated goal. He certainly was aware that the resources were being used to fuel that growth, rather than fairly compensate the pilots. IF (and that's a huge stretch) he wasn't previously "in the know", then having NJ pilots picketing the BH shareholder's meeting in Omaha certainly DID get the message across. Pilots carrying signs that read "NetJets Pilots Seek Livable Wages" was a priceless sight impossible to miss.

He owns NetJets, he doesn't manage/run NetJets. Somebody else is paid to do that. WB speaks in support of the "goals and visions" of said management.

You can google any other questions you "might" have on micro management...

or,

submit your white paper on the subject.

 

[netjetwife]

WB's "vision" was to expand NJ Inc world-wide, as a top priority. Knowing pilots had voted to strike over a protracted contract battle hardly constitutes running NJA. Many people in aviation were aware of that piece of news. WB, apparently, supported NJA management in their goal to underpay/overwork pilots, while he used the profits of their labor to fuel his growth engine.

 

[SCT]

"while he used the profits of their labor to fuel his growth engine."

.......= Capitalism.

Did you go to school in Beijing, NJW?

 

[netjetwife]

A fair day's wages for an honest day's work. That democratic precept is as American as apple pie. You'll be hard pressed to find any pilot who doesn't think that the NJ pilots had earned, and rightfully deserved, every penny they got in their new CBA. In fact, many, would agree that they were short-changed on the Retro they were owed. The signing bonus didn't cover it for most of the NJ pilots.

I went to school in Gunfyter's fair city. Though I fail to see what that has to do with frac pilot salaries. Please stick to the issues. NJW

PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS AND SHOULD BE COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS--WEIGH ANCHOR AND SAIL WITH 1108

 

[Cautious Belly]

A fair day's wages for an honest day's work.

"Fair" = paid what you agreed to work for. How can you say you're entitled to anything else, other than what market forces dictate?

That democratic precept is as American as apple pie.

What, exactly, is that supposed to mean? What you really mean to say is "Greed is as American as apple pie." Don't sugar-coat it.

You'll be hard pressed to find any pilot who doesn't think that the NJ pilots had earned, and rightfully deserved, every penny they got in their new CBA. In fact, many, would agree that they were short-changed on the Retro they were owed. The signing bonus didn't cover it for most of the NJ pilots.

*slaps forehead* Obvious statement of the year. What pilot would ever turn down a paycheck?

PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS AND SHOULD BE COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY

Again, meaningless drivel. Use of the word "should" implies some kind of moralistic entitlement. In reality, pilots (and anyone else) are paid what the market will bear. Otherwise, a correction occurs. Simple economics.

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS--WEIGH ANCHOR AND SAIL WITH 1108

Mindless, saccharine platitudes, with no economic, logical, ethical, or moral backing. You speak in cliches, NJW. Just say, "we want what we want because we are greedy." Nothing wrong with it. Wrapping your (perfectly legitimate) greed in your pseudo-socialist catch phrases is really very tiresome.

Really, get a different hobby. Hell, get on the treadmill. Anything.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

NO NUKES!

SAVE THE WHALES!

 

[Imissmypilot]

Interesting to see 12 years later the more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Looks like everyone was in love and enjoying life before KR took over. Glad to see it. That looks like a great culture to cultivate.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

CB's ridiculous idealistic statements seem even dumberer now, huh?