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BILL LUMBERG

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This guy just doesn't get it......

Pilot supply a major concern for regional airlines



Roughly half of all passenger flights that serve about 500 U.S. cities are flown by the nation’s regional airlines.
Seventy-five percent of those cities are served exclusively by a regional airline.
The number of passengers regional airlines carry has grown from 82.5 million in 2000 to 161.4 million last year.
But a looming pilot shortage could eventually reduce the level of passenger service in cities both bigger and smaller than Wichita, according to Roger Cohen, the Regional Airline Association president. He spoke at the Wichita Aero Club luncheon Tuesday.
“The supply of pilots is going to be a major, major issue for us,” Cohen said.
The number of new pilot certificates is down, and the current pilot population is aging, Cohen said.
Military pilots are staying in the military for longer periods of time. And with airline bankruptcies and industry turmoil, a career as a professional airline pilot has lost some of its glamour.
A new requirement taking effect in August 2013 could further discourage students; it increases the number of flight hours they must have before they can apply with an airline, Cohen said.
The change will require an applicant to have 1,500 flight hours. That’s up from the 500 to 1,000 hours required now, depending on a pilot’s training and other factors.
The change sends a message that the pilots must fly around in circles to get the required time in the air.
“Spraying crops or towing banners over the beach” doesn’t compare to a structured program, Cohen said.
Cohen urged people to contact their representatives in Congress to ask the Federal Aviation Administration to change the requirement.
Aviation also should become a national priority, and more government funds should be available to facilitate pilot training, he said.
Training is expensive. Some students finish aviation training colleges with huge college loans, he said, while starting salaries for airline co-pilots are about $30,000 a year.
But for those who want to fly, jobs will be available.
“They’re paying you to fly an airplane, and that’s pretty cool,” Cohen said.
While regional airline service has grown, their operations have improved, Cohen said.
In fact, May was the second-best month for on-time performance since the Department of Transportation began keeping records, he said.
At the same time, safety is the highest priority.
“In fact, now is the highest period of safety in aviation safety. This is the safest time,” Cohen said.
Wichita’s service

Cohen noted that airline service at Wichita Mid-Continent Airport, which is heavily served by regional airlines, is comparable to other cities its size.
With 34 daily departures, Wichita’s departures are higher than those in Fresno, Calif.; Baton Rouge, La.; Sarasota, Fla.; and Birmingham, Ala.
Wichita has direct, nonstop service to six of the nine largest U.S. hubs
“From there, you can get anywhere in the globe,” he said.
Cohen became president of the Regional Airline Association in December 2006, after serving as vice president for regional affairs for the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. He also served as managing director of state and local affairs for the Air Transport Association
 
This guy just doesn't get it......

Some students finish aviation training colleges with huge college loans, he said, while starting salaries for airline co-pilots are about $30,000 a year.
But for those who want to fly, jobs will be available.

Which regional pays $30k 1st year? The inquiring minds would like to know. What a ^*&%(*&!
 
Cohen makes shady used car salesmen look reputable. "and that's cool".....what a doosh
 
That POS is below a herpes sore in my humble opinion!!!!! Watch the Frontline documentary about the Buffalo crash. That pickle smoker would throw his own mother in front of a train for a few extra bucks! :angryfire
 
Have to admit that was an interesting video. Definitely looked like a used car salesman that had been in the sun too long.

Maybe that's not really fair to used car salesmen, I apologize.
 
Not this Cohen d_ouchebag again. Someone should just lock his a$$ in the tanning bed, crank it all the way up and be done with this useless idiot.
 
I've reached an age of experience and learning to realize that I wouldn't take certain actions for any philosophical or moral reasons, not a shred in fact, I would refrain from the simple fact that I would go to prison.
 
"Fly around in circles"? How about just having more experience? What a dumbass!!
 
Ty, bc of the whipsaw market, that's somewhat true-
But the flip side to that coin is also selling the dream of major airline pilot- where most accept the crap wages temporarily in order to make the good money later-
Between fuel and the cost of school increasing like crazy- hell, it's hard to become a teacher in a state school for less than $15-$20k/year, much less add on flight training with $6 avgas- and that there is no illusion that major airline pilot will mean any great riches and you're finding Americans by and large choosing to do something else-

Maybe the ideological MBAs who always thought pilot unions inflated their pay beyond natural market levels might realize that most of us have been flying for UNDER market wages since 9/11- we're just trained and invested.

The next generation is not and wants no part of the airlines
 
Regionals don't have a problem finding pilots; they have a problem paying pilots.

How is it their problem when people are willing to not only work for those wages, but climb over each other to take the jobs?
 
How is it their problem when people are willing to not only work for those wages, but climb over each other to take the jobs?

1. Not for long.

2. They had to reduce hiring mins to 250 hours a few years ago to find people willing to work for that crap pay. Low quality cockpit crews in order to protect super low wages.

3. He knows the winds are changing on their scam, and that is why this blowhard scared and calling for government moneys....

Funny how the small government anti-regulation crowd always wants government money for THEIR issues. Hypocrites.
 
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1. Not for long.

2. They had to reduce hiring mins to 250 hours a few years ago to find people willing to work for that crap pay. Low quality cockpit crews in order to protect super low wages.

3. He knows the winds are changing on their scam, and that is why this blowhard scared and calling for government moneys....

Funny how the small government anti-regulation crowd always wants government money for THEIR issues. Hypocrites.


Got new for you-- the "small government, anti-regulation crowd" doesn't necessarily just want money for OUR views. We believe that goverment has a legitimate function, and that is NOT to regulate every aspect of our individual lives. However, creating standards for legitimate, national enterprises (that would be covered under the Constitution's commerce clause) like interstate/international air transportation IS part of its defined function (however, knee-jerk reactions are never a good idea). So, if reasonable standards require higher minimums to safely transport people en mass by air, then that's fine. If the regionals have to pay more as a result, fine. If that has a side-effect of raising their costs and lowering their lift, fine. That's how a free-market, capitalistic society functions--everything's driven by supply and demand. The market will charge what its consumers can or will bear.

On the other hand, large-government pogues like yourself seem fine with the government regulating every freaking thing under the sun. That's NOT what the constitution framers had in mind. Do you really think the government can effectively or economically control all that it tries to? Just because I agree with you that the government has a legitimate interest in minimum regulations or standards for commerce/transportation, doesn't mean that I agree with you that the government can pull any random thing out of its azz to regulate. Now that I'm an adult, I don't really need a nanny. THAT'S what us small government, anti-regulation crowds think.

Bubba
 
Nice rant. But I am referring to duchebag Cohen's request for the government to provide MONEY to train pilots so that his industry doesn't feel the supply pinch and force his industry to pay living wages.
 
Cohen can suck it... he just needs more funding from regional airlines, aviation colleges, and other proponents that would benefit from the minimums being dropped so he can continue to visit his local tanning salon. Its high time for us to be compensated properly for our labors and for our management teams to stop accepting piss poor contracts to keep flying. If the travelling public only wants to spend 80 bucks to go from ICT to DEN perhaps they should drive.
 
Nice rant. But I am referring to duchebag Cohen's request for the government to provide MONEY to train pilots so that his industry doesn't feel the supply pinch and force his industry to pay living wages.

It WAS a nice rant, wasn't it? :)

Alright, I agree: Cohen's as misguided and knuckleheaded as others have pointed out. However, next time, you should be more specific in your naming of the "small government anti-regulation" crowd. Because my rant still stands, and the majority of us in this 'crowd' are against what he wanted for his or any other special interest or "noble cause."

Bubba
 
I hate to say it but I predict that the retirement age will get raised and they will water down the new-hire experience requirements in order to insure a steady supply of inexpensive labor for the regionals and cheap tickets for the public. The government is not going to allow a looming pilot shortage to become a problem if they can do something about it. I'll be amazed if these things don't happen. It doesn't matter what we think because there's not enough of us to matter.
 

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