Flex bid Gone

[shanes123]

Flex Flight Attendants have lost their Flex Bid schedule. Why would one Flex pilot think their not next? KR Loves your Flexbid correct ???? Then why would the Flight Attendants lose it?? We been saying since day one he will get rid of that schedule and here’s step 1. Getting ready for the 8/7.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Flex Flight Attendants have lost their Flex Bid schedule. Why would one Flex pilot think their not next? KR Loves your Flexbid correct ???? Then why would the Flight Attendants lose it?? We been saying since day one he will get rid of that schedule and here’s step 1. Getting ready for the 8/7.

KR's schedule of choice is the make-your-own. That's what they do on the red Label. You get paid a bigger bonus iff you do 7+ day trips but a lot of pilots ignore that.

 

[shanes123]

LOL...Ya ok....Make your own.. lets see how long make your own last if he gets full control back. you guys are hopeless. your all like a bunch of retarded kids who keep sticking your finger in the light socket over and over and over....

 

[Club ORD FO]

LOL...Ya ok....Make your own.. lets see how long make your own last if he gets full control back. you guys are hopeless. your all like a bunch of retarded kids who keep sticking your finger in the light socket over and over and over....

Flexbid is in the contract, so what are you worried about?

 

[shanes123]

CONTRACT???? Oh who got us a Contract?????? So its protected by a contract? that who exactly got for us? Hmmmm So confusing!!!! Oh and I am not worried about anything Flexbid sucks love to see it go away.

 

[Club ORD FO]

CONTRACT???? Oh who got us a Contract?????? So its protected by a contract? that who exactly got for us? Hmmmm So confusing!!!! Oh and I am not worried about anything Flexbid sucks love to see it go away.

Um, the union got us the contract?

so first you say we should fear flexbid going away, but then you say you want it to go away. What?

 

[993_Pilot]

Flexbid may remain, but what keeps the company from manipulating it for longer rotations or how will the scheduling committee verify that they were assigned is any order? Serious question.

 

[justmeinmsp]

993 is the winner. It is in the contract but how it’s used is not. The company has full control over the parameters it uses

 

[doh]

Actually, it says 4, 5 and 6 day rotations in the contract. And domestic red label says they just have to cover the left seat. Am I not reading that correctly?

 

[993_Pilot]

Actually, it says 4, 5 and 6 day rotations in the contract. And domestic red label says they just have to cover the left seat. Am I not reading that correctly?

Yes, there are some limits in the MCBA, but no checks and balances that I can see. How does the scheduling committee verify what is available and what order the bids were awarded in? Can I specify 14 day green lines only? In other words, what keeps the management from giving everyone a 16 day green line? We are so understaffed, I actually fear this will happen. Can I be stuck working every weekend or peak travel day if the company "needs" me to? Never having bid this before, I am genuinely curious if there are any checks & balances, or is it all just left up to the discretion of management, confined by the few restrictions / rules in the MCBA and the honor system? We are being asked to make this choice before we have any definitive answers and while the extra money is tempting, I am dubious that "the needs of the company" won't ALWAYS come first.

 

[doh]

I can’t give you a tutorial on here. I don’t type that well. I think Super Dave has a tutorial. Email him and ask for it.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Why do most of you continue to be so gullible?

Get it through your heads: with this management team running the show absolutely 100% of nothing has do with what works for or is in the best interest of the pilot group. Ricci has his thoughts of how things should be and ideas, messages, programs, benefits etc... will continue to be massaged, manipulated and crafted toward that end. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly but always toward that goal.

Did yesterday's announcement regarding the ability to bid what amounts to a fixed bid within Flexbid clue you in at all? Sure, the name might stay (just to make some of you suckers happy) but the truth is it's going to always be (and even more so under Ricci rule) what management wants first, what management needs second and what works for pilot at a distant third, maybe.

993 has it right on the money. There are simply no parameters in the CBA that a pilot should bank on.

Even under Bombardier, Flexbid was not perfect. Under DAC it has/will become a nightmare. If Flexbid really worked then we would get our schedules the same day the bids closed. The open secret about Flexbid is that the results are tweaked for over a week to get the result management desires and the pilot group will buy as a pilot-centric result. This has only been exacerbated under Ricci rule and the RL self scheduling paradigm. Have you noticed it is impossible to get a 4 day tour or less than a 15/16 day line?

More sculpting to the Ricci system underway. The only reason Flexbid was allowed to stay is because the union predicted it's demise. So as an alternate they will just continue to chip away at Flexbid until it's but a shadow of what you think it represents.

The self scheduling will see similar mandates that replace total freedom with complete compliance.

Mark my words.

 

[justmeinmsp]

Ummm, unless something has changed recently, 8 day rotations became green lines in Flexbid after the buyout

 

[Imissmypilot]

Ummm, unless something has changed recently, 8 day rotations became green lines in Flexbid after the buyout

No they were added to yellow lines which previous to buyout were limited to 7 day max.

Do you remember why Bombardier did not allow for 8 days even on a yellow line? Funny enough they considered it a safety concern. Guuuuhlope...

Just a reminder, until now, green lines were always limited to 6 with a 4 off before/after minimum.

 

[Club ORD FO]

No they were added to yellow lines which previous to buyout were limited to 7 day max.

Do you remember why Bombardier did not allow for 8 days even on a yellow line? Funny enough they considered it a safety concern. Guuuuhlope...

Just a reminder, until now, green lines were always limited to 6 with a 4 off before/after minimum.

Er, no. We always had 7 and 8 day lines. But they were made green lines in the new bases after the buy out. Still yellow in DFW and a few others.