Flexjet DAC

[exagony]

Hearing through grapevine people I know there that very senior pilots are leaving in large numbers. True? Appears pilots are waking up to reality of life under KR

 

[shanes123]

Senior Flex pilots? Same ones that voted no???

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

Do tell.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

What 2 pilots? And who can say that they actually voted no. Everyone can guess, but when the reality of the KR management style sets in, a lot more of the Flex pilots will wake up. Are they able to flee or will they be classified as one of the "trapped" employees? Only time will tell.

 

[XBI]

Not really the "very senior" pilots you're talking about, but the brand new Flexjet Chief Pilot, anounced this afternoon that he is leaving for "a position at another company". This is RF. A really good guy out of the training dept. What's he know ..... ?

 

[doh]

Couple 15+ year guys have left for Southwest. Others are trying to leave.

 

[Propilot77]

Well I think anyone under the age of 45 at Flexjet started looking the day the sale was announced and the events and changes of the last 18 months have really made people take a long look at other work.

 

[jonjuan]

APC thread just reported 2 year upgrade at delta. gotta be over 270K/year (including 15% 401k contrib, 22% profit share, etc).

 

[Dooker]

TWO years? C'm

 

[Dooker]

Sorry. Meant to say, "Two years? C'mon."

And what's the point of even posting this little factoid on this thread? Obviously anyone who could go to Delta likely would go to Delta. Or Southwest. Or American. Unless they're mentally deficient.

If you've managed to accrue enough PIC time, or have managed to snag a company check airman or standards slot (they loooove to hire those guys), and/or still are young enough, and/or have the connections, and/or belong to a class of people who get a preferential bump during the screening process, you'd be gone in a second.

If none of the above, consider yourself stuck.

 

[doh]

The point: there will be turnover here, at corporate flight departments, and at the regionals. Rather high turnover for the foreseeable future.

 

[Dooker]

The point: there will be turnover here, at corporate flight departments, and at the regionals. Rather high turnover for the foreseeable future.

Agreed.

 

[Helmsalee]

Not that I believe 2 years is accurate, but upgrade at Delta is not a simple thing to analyze. Whatever the junior captain slot is, it is very unwanted by the vast majority of the seniority list. Reserve at a crappy base on an airplane with miserable trips. There are tons of 15+ year FOs who could easily hold captain who choose not to. They prefer to be senior FOs on the best planes at the most desirable bases. Their QOL is pretty good and they make close to junior captain pay or, as some claim, more. Along the same lines, before I retired, new hires were getting 767ER FO slots in JFK. The reason, no one was bidding them.
Helm

 

[jonjuan]

Not that I believe 2 years is accurate, but upgrade at Delta is not a simple thing to analyze. Whatever the junior captain slot is, it is very unwanted by the vast majority of the seniority list. Reserve at a crappy base on an airplane with miserable trips. There are tons of 15+ year FOs who could easily hold captain who choose not to. They prefer to be senior FOs on the best planes at the most desirable bases. Their QOL is pretty good and they make close to junior captain pay or, as some claim, more. Along the same lines, before I retired, new hires were getting 767ER FO slots in JFK. The reason, no one was bidding them.
Helm

Actually it is 23 months. Agreed about senior fos flying into, however, it appears a few were just given the chance to bump their pay from 90/hour to 200/hour, even if on reserve.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Don't forget the reserve hours are 65/month. Times 200/hour equals 130k/year. A domicile in New York with a crash pad and parking reduces that to 100k. Now compare that to 15 year pay, and the fact they get a 15% 401k contribution without you having to contribute a penny is a big jump. The next JCBA is going to be competitive or the morale will decline further at Flex.

 

[shanes123]

I betting on the Morale Declining. you can't get a competitive CBA with no solidarity. and 51% is a far cry from that.

 

[dime line]

I betting on the Morale Declining. you can't get a competitive CBA with no solidarity. and 51% is a far cry from that.

And they will blame the union

 

[doh]

We (Flexjet) are seeing an exodus. I wouldn't call it a mass exodus as yet, but formerly career pilots are leaving.

 

[Brit]

The sh!t storm is approaching. Eject! Eject! Eject!

 

[ghostrider64]

At some point both groups flex and flops, need to understand one simple fact: you are in control of you're own destiny, not the teamsters, not the management, not the voodoo dolls, YOU!

Unless you realize you've the power to unify, check all of your past histories and fight for a singular good cause, you'll forever be unhappy. You'll be cursed with never ending strife. So grow up, learn what "you" can do to expedite a collective bargaining process. Hell, the outline has already been written for you.

But go ahead whine and compline and infight, you'll be cursed with living a life of blame and darkness. Oh and certainly run away, that's always the easiest path to success in life. Just ask those running the show how running away from problems made them billionaires.