To unionize or not to unionize. That is the question.

[no1pilot2000]

To those airline pilots flying the friendly skies. If you had a chance, would you and your fellow pilots prefer to be apart of a union or tell the unions to go to hell. Is union leadership for your pilot group truly working in your best interest?

 

[BeachBummer]

Is management working on your best interest? JB and vx were the last major airlines to be non union. The only regional I can think of is sky west.

This is a union profession and an unfortunate nessesary evil of our careers.

 

[fly4surf]

To the OP,

You're kidding right?

Good one!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Find an example -- just one -- of a union pilot group that voted to do away with collective bargaining in favor of a more "direct relationship" with management.

 

[Dornier 335]

The only aviation related example coming to my mind are the DL flight attendants (non-union). Never figured that one out.

 

[pilotyip]

When you get to a certain size you almost need a union in order that there be one voice speaking for the pilots. Originally Posted by Lake Alice View Post
In the end Unions are a necessary evil. But a union is no guarantee of job security, more pay or more days off. This comes from an ex ALPA and IBT member whose companies no longer exist. Trouble is the necessity often turns evil. The union activists that move to the forefront of union leadership continue to sell the promises of increased pay, days off and benefits in order justify the union?s existence and why the pilots are paying dues. Until of course you have all your days off and no pay. The defiant battle cry of we will show them who is boss rings through the union halls in defiance of the reality of the airline marketplace.

 

[fletch717]

The problem with unions is the pilots who are elected. It doesn't take long for them to settle in and get used to being home every night, expensive dinners on my dime, never work holidays, when they do travel they stay in better hotels. Some pick up trips on the side and make a killing. It happens in every Union I've been in. (5) for me. Before some jackleg gets on here to tell me what a huge sacrifice they made in their union. I'll just say this, if it was worse than line flying you'd be back on line. I have yet to be associated with a union that hasn't been accused (with good reason) of acting in this manner.

 

[bluesideup1]

The problem with unions is the pilots who are elected. It doesn't take long for them to settle in and get used to being home every night, expensive dinners on my dime, never work holidays, when they do travel they stay in better hotels. Some pick up trips on the side and make a killing. It happens in every Union I've been in. (5) for me. Before some jackleg gets on here to tell me what a huge sacrifice they made in their union. I'll just say this, if it was worse than line flying you'd be back on line. I have yet to be associated with a union that hasn't been accused (with good reason) of acting in this manner.

That reminds me where is PLC?

 

[BobbyBiplane]

After stints at three now gone legacy carriers ... I'll take a local union or none, thanks.

Bob

 

[fr8doggie]

That reminds me where is PLC?

Quantico, VA

 

[Golden Falcon]

why do you have to ask that question....

 

[bluesideup1]

why do you have to ask that question....

Because the quote is the living embodiment of PLC and I thought that would be funny.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

I nominate Freebrd for RJ National Seniority List chairman.
SWABubba can serve hot dogs and Pepsi at the meetings.

 

[Data]

To unionize or not to unionize. That is the question.

Are we talking Chemists or someone with a labor Union membership (such as pilots)?

 

[Freebrd]

I nominate Freebrd for RJ National Seniority List chairman.
SWABubba can serve hot dogs and Pepsi at the meetings.

I decline! I want to be the Per Diem Chairman.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

I decline! I want to be the Per Diem Chairman.

OK. But can you make sure to raise our per diem to $3.00 hour so SWABubba can afford more hot dogs?

 

[Freebrd]

$3!? Wow that would get you two of those monster dogs at Costco!

 

[OHGOON]

After stints at three now gone legacy carriers ... I'll take a local union or none, thanks.

Bob

What's a local Union?

Have you ever worked at a non-Union shop? Have you witnessed unjustified firings, pilot pushing and just-get-er-donenitise personally or are the three "now gone" Union shops your only point of reference?

 

[OHGOON]

The problem with unions is the pilots who are elected. It doesn't take long for them to settle in and get used to being home every night, expensive dinners on my dime, never work holidays, when they do travel they stay in better hotels. Some pick up trips on the side and make a killing. It happens in every Union I've been in. (5) for me. Before some jackleg gets on here to tell me what a huge sacrifice they made in their union. I'll just say this, if it was worse than line flying you'd be back on line. I have yet to be associated with a union that hasn't been accused (with good reason) of acting in this manner.

I'm just curious, do you know what it's like to be a Union elected official first hand or are you part of the too lazy to ever land a hand but bitch at every opportunity anyway crowd? In other words, do you speak from actual experience or are you just flapping your gums, re-repeating what you've heard others say out on the line?

This kind of crap about Unions is what keeps our profession eternally divided...who is ultimately helped by that I wonder?

 

[SWA Bubba]

What's a local Union?

Have you ever worked at a non-Union shop? Have you witnessed unjustified firings, pilot pushing and just-get-er-donenitise personally or are the three "now gone" Union shops your only point of reference?

Are you really that dense, or are you just trying to get a rise out of the poster? A "local union" is a union that is not a chapter of a national union (such as at Delta and United, which each host a local chapter of ALPA), but is instead completely autonomous, and represents one airline exclusively. Examples include APA for American Airlines' pilots, and SWAPA for Southwest Airlines' pilots.

Bubba