Most Loved Airline in the U.S.

[BILL LUMBERG]

That bankruptcy did mean much, to all the people affected. Employees, creditors were all tossed aside. And some jackholes come on here bragging about their latest quarter. Yeah it pisses me off, but that's the country we live in. People do stupid stuff like refinance their house to buy jet skis and ATV's and can't afford their mortgage and we bail them out. And apparently those people post on this forum.

Canyon, I pay all my bills, have no debt, house paid off, makes more than you but doesn't need to brag about his w2 like a lot your compadres, but thanks for the Personal Finance lesson. Rant much?

 

[Flopgut]

At some point in their first 80-90 years, every major U.S. airline has gone BK. How long has SWA been around again??? What odds might Vegas put on SWA taking a turn in BK someday???

This isn't a function of business accumen, it's evolution. SWA is turning into a legacy more every day. Smart mgmt team for sure, but there's no big $ jet flying. You have to beat the sh!t out of New Mexico a long time to make what 1 leg in a heavy can make.

 

[Flopgut]

That bankruptcy did mean much, to all the people affected. Employees, creditors were all tossed aside. And some jackholes come on here bragging about their latest quarter. Yeah it pisses me off, but that's the country we live in. People do stupid stuff like refinance their house to buy jet skis and ATV's and can't afford their mortgage and we bail them out. And apparently those people post on this forum.

Yeah, some people make stupid purchases and can't afford to pay. Frustrating. Those people are bozos. Then again, some people start up airlines that aren't solvent and can't stay in business without the government stepping in and insuring their success. Those people=SWA

 

[bluesideup1]

Look at todays scoreboard Canyon....

The past is the past, we were moving jets before you guys were a wild Turkey stain on Herb's doodling napkin. Not every airline can cherrypick routes and whine and payoff politicians to get slots and drop amendments that promote your businessplan.

Back on point, Get over yourself jackhole....nobody flys your airline because they didnt go through bk or never furloughed....they fly it because you are the cheapest and you go to a lot of places people want to go. You are still lacking in the latter category....good luck with the fluff.

Bill,

You just seem to be a real @sshole. I am glad they got under your skin to the point your true colors come out as just another hater with nothing better to do than post on a thread that your airline will never be.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey Blue,

Thanks for your opinion.

I don't care what my airline has done, where its going or what awards we win (we don't paint them on the jets like some like to do).
At the end of the month, I look for a paycheck and then more 15 days later....thats it!
It's fun to poke an eye in the usual gang of suspects who think they are at the Biggest, Bestest, most Awesome airline ever.

Although I miss my buddy Wavey....Red, Howard and others can bring a good debate and I'm happy to trade barbs with them. We're all bus drivers in the sky, just some people have to prove their bus is better and I like to call that out.

I have had the pleasure of some great rides on Southwest and found out that jokes by a flight attendant doesn't make a difference in what is a general commodity. Some people don't like bag fees, others like to know their seat ahead of time. We serve different consumers and they are the ones who decide who's best.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Yeah, some people make stupid purchases and can't afford to pay. Frustrating. Those people are bozos. Then again, some people start up airlines that aren't solvent and can't stay in business without the government stepping in and insuring their success. Those people=SWA

Stupidest statement EVER made on Flight Info. Congratulations!

Bubba

 

[HowardBorden]

makes more than you but doesn't need to brag about his w2 like a lot your compadres

irony- [ahy-ruh-nee]

1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning.

 

[Flopgut]

Stupidest statement EVER made on Flight Info. Congratulations!

Bubba

Why thank you Bubba

Delta started out dusting crops. Boot strapped their way into a big airline. And in a no way similar testament to hard work, SWA was started by a lawyer. Who's most difficult day was flying to DC without a change of clothes.

 

[Flopgut]

Question: Do you think Richard Branson would rather have 2 trips to a U.S. BK court that he could use whenever? Or would he like to be given the political, strategic, and legal advantages SWA has benefited from the last 40+ years? Starting off with Love Field all to his own brand? Hmmmmmm

 

[CX880]

I say all of the above.

 

[slaquer5]

Canyon, I pay all my bills, have no debt, house paid off, makes more than you but doesn't need to brag about his w2 like a lot your compadres, but thanks for the Personal Finance lesson. Rant much?

So in past posts you are bragging how much
your wife makes


You like to spout off on how your wife makes more than you do



Your just like GL, you can't keep ur stories straight


Must be a. Delta thing.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why thank you Bubba

Delta started out dusting crops. Boot strapped their way into a big airline.

Not exactly. Delta watched Eastern put the hard work into establishing routes with jet equipment and then went crying to the CAB about how unfair it was that they couldn't operate on those routes. So Delta has Eastern to thank for much of their post-crop dusting growth.

And then of course Continental ended up pilfering Easterns jets later so it all comes close to home one way or another, doesn't it?

 

[canyonblue]

At some point in their first 80-90 years, every major U.S. airline has gone BK. How long has SWA been around again??? What odds might Vegas put on SWA taking a turn in BK someday???

Yeah but those first 70 years don't count. It's hard to lose money when the government is your Mama.

 

[Flopgut]

Not exactly. Delta watched Eastern put the hard work into establishing routes with jet equipment and then went crying to the CAB about how unfair it was that they couldn't operate on those routes. So Delta has Eastern to thank for much of their post-crop dusting growth.

And then of course Continental ended up pilfering Easterns jets later so it all comes close to home one way or another, doesn't it?

Not IMO. Feds stipulate one airport for two cities, then allows one airline to stay after moving the others. Delta wanted to compete with Eastern, Southwest was toast and couldn't compete with anyone. SWA was propped up to make sure at least one airline succeeded post deregulation.

 

[outerlimits]

Not IMO. Feds stipulate one airport for two cities, then allows one airline to stay after moving the others. Delta wanted to compete with Eastern, Southwest was toast and couldn't compete with anyone. SWA was propped up to make sure at least one airline succeeded post deregulation.

Flop


Midway Airlines was called (The darling of deregulation) , not SWA...

Southwest Airlines was some hick airline out of TX. I think most can't believe they fly to 90 cities and 5 countries . Myself included .


You would be awesome in a debate class . You throw a lot of good stuff. Some are to lazy to look up if true .
For that I am impressed.


PS. Hope I get the chance to fly with you someday.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Flop


Midway Airlines was called (The darling of deregulation) , not SWA...

Southwest Airlines was some hick airline out of TX. I think most can't believe they fly to 90 cities and 5 countries . Myself included .


You would be awesome in a debate class . You throw a lot of good stuff. Some are to lazy to look up if true .
For that I am impressed.


PS. Hope I get the chance to fly with you someday.

Don't let Flopgut fool you. He's demonstrated time and again that he doesn't actually know much of anything about the history of U.S. Airlines in the 20th century in general, and he knows dick-all about Southwest. All he knows are the anti-SWA talking points that he continually spouts, to make himself feel better. He speaks in generic, non-specific terms without any particulars, and is unable to actually back up any of his statements with any citations or facts.

He essentially just throws out anti-Southwest statements, and hopes that you are too lazy to look up the actual truth. In fact, several of us have refuted his most egregious BS numerous times with the truth, but then he just ignores the conversation until it drops off the forum, then repeats it again. It gets tiresome.

My personal favorite is when he tries to tell people that the Wright Amendment was secretly negotiated/agreed to, in order to "help" Southwest. He is pretty funny, but you shouldn't take anything he says seriously.

Bubba

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

5 countries....

That's cute!

 

[SWA Bubba]

5 countries....

That's cute!

Yeah, I know. Who'da thought, right? :blush:

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

Flop


Midway Airlines was called (The darling of deregulation) , not SWA...

Southwest Airlines was some hick airline out of TX. I think most can't believe they fly to 90 cities and 5 countries . Myself included .


You would be awesome in a debate class . You throw a lot of good stuff. Some are to lazy to look up if true .
For that I am impressed.


PS. Hope I get the chance to fly with you someday.

Alfred Kahn is the guy you need to read (more?) about. He wrote deregulation and once said "Pan Am can go to hell". Of course he loved SWA... However, and here's an interesting point about Midway (the airport and the airline you mention), initially small airlines asked for 2 years of protection around Midway airport. Kahn and his team carefully considered it, but ultimately declined. Competition, and the unfettered outcome, was what they [Kahn's team] were after and NOT picking winners. That is NOT what happened in Dallas. SWA received enormous protection from bare knuckled competition at Love Field. Opposite of what was intended. It's a way bigger deal than the sum total of legacy airline BKs. They were handed their success.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Alfred Kahn is the guy you need to read (more?) about. He wrote deregulation and once said "Pan Am can go to hell". Of course he loved SWA... However, and here's an interesting point about Midway (the airport and the airline you mention), initially small airlines asked for 2 years of protection around Midway airport. Kahn and his team carefully considered it, but ultimately declined. Competition, and the unfettered outcome, was what they [Kahn's team] were after and NOT picking winners. That is NOT what happened in Dallas. SWA received enormous protection from bare knuckled competition at Love Field. Opposite of what was intended. It's a way bigger deal than the sum total of legacy airline BKs. They were handed their success.

You know, Floppy, I've asked you twenty times to actually explain this, and twenty times you've p*ssied out on me. I wonder why that is.

You have repeated lies, which I've refuted, but you've never actually shown any "protection" shown SWA at Dallas Love, and by whom. Why?--there was no "protection." Only attacks.

One more time for you, Flop, the slow-witted amongst us: only AFTER winning every legal challenge thrown against us by the other airlines, including multiple trips up to and including the US Supreme Court; and only AFTER surviving actual illegal threats and tactics that resulted in convictions in criminal court of three other airlines, including Flop's beloved Continental airlines; Southwest finally started flying in 1971 as an intrastate Texas airline.

After deregulation in 1978, Southwest planned expansion and started flying to other states. Again, more frivolous and BS legal attacks, which were all dismissed by various courts, again including the US Supreme Court. What happened then? Why, DFW and American Airlines got their paid-for political stooge, House Speaker Jim Wright (D., Ft Worth) to change the law, by sneaking in what became the Wright Amendment into unrelated legislation. This had the effect of hobbling SWA in Dallas Love, and prohibited us from expanding service any further in the future. Hmmm, a prohibition on what we wanted to do doesn't sound much like "protection"; it sounds like interference.

Up until the compromise that finally ended the WA in 2014, other airlines came and went from Dallas Love as they pleased, although they were subject to the same restrictions that Southwest was. And, up until 2014, there were literally dozens of unused gates at Dallas Love that no other airline wanted. So don't give us the old "Southwest had other airlines banned from Love Field" BS.

So tell me please, Flop, what exact "protection" did Southwest receive? And from whom did Southwest receive it? Are you going to actually answer this time, or will you p*ssy out again?

Bubba