Trannys' "capturing" captain seats

[Kharma Police]

With the rather large vacancy bid about to close, will the Tranny's "capture" most of the left seats or will the Real Southwest FOs sitting on the fence for upgrade take them? More importantly, do you guys think there will be displacements?

 

[redflyer65]

Tranny's will get most (if eligible - all must go thru initial training first) . Those sitting on the fence will probably continue sitting.

No displacements this round.

 

[TriStar_drvr]

I would be very surprised if all the captain slots are not filled with former Air Tran pilots. The only "fence sitters" senior enough to get a slot will be those who have been sitting there since before the acquisition, and I doubt they'll change their mind now.

 

[N1atEcon]

I am betting most will be filled by former AT guys. Guys that were senior enough and holding out for their reasons will continue to do so.

 

[XGmaninGA]

Seniority in seat and base can lead to a pretty good quality of life.

 

[redflyer65]

Seniority in seat and base can lead to a pretty good quality of life.

Many of those senior in base easily make baseline CA pay. Some actually make more. The only downside to NOT upgrading (no matter where you came from), would be for a Long Term Disability event. In such case, you'd get baseline FO for the rest of your life if you couldn't come back.

 

[shootr]

It'll be mostly, if not all, former AT pilots filling all the CA vacancies for the rest of this year. No displacements this round.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

I just hope they can fly those planes with the round dials or have the senior FO's babysit them - no nice screens and automation to help - oh you have to revert to being a "real pilot"

 

[27 driver]

I just hope they can fly those planes with the round dials or have the senior FO's babysit them - no nice screens and automation to help - oh you have to revert to being a "real pilot"

Ya, none of the Airtran guys have ever seen round dials. How will they ever survive?

 

[redflyer65]

Ya, none of the Airtran guys have ever seen round dials. How will they ever survive?

True....in 1990.

Going to be interesting to babysit these guys in a Classic flying a backcourse Loc in Tucson with min weather.

 

[freightdogfred]

True....in 1990.

Going to be interesting to babysit these guys in a Classic flying a backcourse Loc in Tucson with min weather.

If you can do it how hard can it be

 

[redflyer65]

If you can do it how hard can it be

Doing it last week vs. 20+ years ago is the same? Keep on keepin' on idiot.

 

[Blue Dude]

Doing it last week vs. 20+ years ago is the same? Keep on keepin' on idiot.

There's an age-old attitude for you: only those with your original company (and who are around your seniority) have any clue how to fly. All others are stupid, green, coddled, senile, limp, dangerous, unfit, or any combination of the above. Only your and your immediate peers are real pilots.

Best of luck with that. You'll be miserable but nobody else will care.

 

[HowardBorden]

True....in 1990.

Going to be interesting to babysit these guys in a Classic flying a backcourse Loc in Tucson with min weather.

I don't remember ever shooting an approach to minimums in Tucson. Just lucky I guess.

 

[CRJDawg]

True....in 1990.

Going to be interesting to babysit these guys in a Classic flying a backcourse Loc in Tucson with min weather.

How about those snowy approaches in midway or better yet wheel barreling in Laguardia. Idiot.

You need to park those old pieces of sH!t. Screw you and your attitude.

 

[Tripower455]

True....in 1990.

Going to be interesting to babysit these guys in a Classic flying a backcourse Loc in Tucson with min weather.

Or taking the plane away from them on a visual in MCO like I did last month......

I've flown with a ton of AT guys in the last few years. All but the one mentioned above has done fine in the classic. He did fine in the 700, but screwed up 2 easy visuals in a row in a classic. I mean basic airman stuff and he's been at SW for over 2 years........ It was as if the instrument panel was invisible to him.

I don't think he'll be upgrading any time soon.

 

[redflyer65]

I don't remember ever shooting an approach to minimums in Tucson. Just lucky I guess.

It was .25 miles with fog yesterday morning. I've flown the Localizer Backcourse with heavy rain in the 300 a few times.

Let me back up.....I'm sure 98%+ of all ex-AirTran folks are good airmen. Similar to SW. I just hope (for all of our sakes) we don't have any issues with a classic and someone who hasn't seen one in awhile then being thrown in a tough spot. We have a few idiots on the original side too and for those transitioning I hope you figure out quickly who they are.....because then you will be doing the babysitting.

Don't disagree CRJdawg. I'd wish they'd park them too.

 

[737tanker]

Don't forget that the HUD is on the Capt side and the way it shows airspeed and altitude is the same way the glass of the NG shows it. That should help those FAT Capts make the transition to the Classics.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I just hope they can fly those planes with the round dials or have the senior FO's babysit them - no nice screens and automation to help - oh you have to revert to being a "real pilot"

Yeah, they'll be lucky if they even find the right airport! Oh. Nevermind.

 

[Nindiri]

I kind of like the classics, except for that stupid NAV switch I keep forgetting.

Still, there is no denying the fact that SWA has issues with landing airplanes, with the same kind of problems coming up over and over again. Until this company figures out why it can't seem to fix this problem, the very idea of a SWA pilot of any origin flying a BC Loc to minimums in a Classic is a rather scary thought. Worth at least a few Ave Marias prior to starting the approach.

 

[HowardBorden]

I kind of like the classics, except for that stupid NAV switch I keep forgetting.

Still, there is no denying the fact that SWA has issues with landing airplanes, with the same kind of problems coming up over and over again. Until this company figures out why it can't seem to fix this problem, the very idea of a SWA pilot of any origin flying a BC Loc to minimums in a Classic is a rather scary thought. Worth at least a few Ave Marias prior to starting the approach.

SWA is currently one of the safest airlines worldwide.

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[Nindiri]

We just can't seem to safely land the airplane.


I think it will improve once a few of the cowboys retire. I can already see some improvements in the training department.

And getting rid of the OPC will help, too.

 

[HowardBorden]

We just can't seem to safely land the airplane.

Actually, SWA does better than most US carriers, see the post above.

 

[Nindiri]

Unfortunately, we seem to keep having the same kind of incidents, which is actually more concerning than several random unrelated incidents. All of ours are in the approach/landing/go-around phase, with speed control especially a problem for us, apparently.

 

[waveflyer]

This conversation is dumb.
Air Tran pilots are pros just like us- if you want to dig on them for classics then you have to accept their dog on us going international. Bottom line, for the pros among us (99%) neither are an issue.
If I had a dollar for every time I heard an older legacy pilot say it wasn't safe for a new hire to do anything other than FE for their first year or two....

Cmon now-

 

[slaquer5]

I have not seen one AT pilot have a problem in the 300.


I am thinking this is turning into an urban myth.

 

[jball2]

I've only had one FAT guy have a problem in the 300. He had problems in the 700 too. Former 737 captain was the most disturbing part. Hardest three day of my career. Everyone else has been GREAT!

 

[PCL_128]

This conversation is dumb.

Amen.

 

[Ty Webb]

I've been enjoying flying the antiques.... Err, classics. Havent had to do it in the summer, though.

Btw, haven't flown with a doorknob yet.

 

[Phlintstone]

I've only had one FAT guy have a problem in the 300. He had problems in the 700 too. Former 737 captain was the most disturbing part. Hardest three day of my career. Everyone else has been GREAT!

Was his initials EP?

Phred