Im Ready, UNION AT FLEX

[pcab]

I have been at Flex 17 years. Never though I needed a Union, but after loosing 3 PTO days, designated crew, uniform changes and now the 3% we had added to the 401K as a company bonus gone. I need to protect what I have before it is to late. I hear there will be pay cuts....
Someone put a union card in front of me.....

 

[JetFlex]

Seconded

 

[justmeinmsp]

Ding ding ding

 

[el raton]

I have been at Flex 17 years. Never though I needed a Union, but after loosing 3 PTO days, designated crew, uniform changes and now the 3% we had added to the 401K as a company bonus gone. I need to protect what I have before it is to late. I hear there will be pay cuts....
Someone put a union card in front of me.....

I've been out of the loop for awhile. Was this announced, if so when and where?

 

[John MClain]

Just a quick word to those who haven't frequented this forum in a while. There is every indication that yours, mine and or anybody else's identities are not protected.

Nuff said.

 

[The Architect]

Right to Choose

Just a quick word to those who haven't frequented this forum in a while. There is every indication that yours, mine and or anybody else's identities are not protected.

Nuff said.

Perhaps reasonable advice. However, employees have certain rights. And concern over loss of anonymity should not deter one from making and pursuing a choice.

Section 2, Fourth of the Railway Labor Act, 45 U.S.C. Sec. 152,
Fourth, states:
"Employees shall have the right to organize and
bargain collectively through representatives of their own
choosing. . . . No carrier, its officers, or agents shall deny or in
any way question the right of its employees to join, organize, or
assist in organizing the labor organization of their choice, and it
shall be unlawful for any carrier to interfere in any way with the
organization of its employees, or to use the funds of the carrier
in maintaining or assisting or contributing to any labor organization,
labor representative, or other agency of collective bargaining,
or in performing any work therefore, or to influence or
coerce employees in an effort to induce them to join or remain
or not to join or remain members of any labor organization . . ."​

This means it is illegal and a violation of federal law for any
airline or another union to interfere with or coerce its employees
in their decision to form or join a union. It's critical to
document any coercion or harassment, regardless of who is
doing it, as this is a violation of your employee rights under
the RLA.

 

[pilotyip]

Perhaps reasonable advice. However, employees have certain rights. And concern over loss of anonymity should not deter one from making and pursuing a choice.

Section 2, Fourth of the Railway Labor Act, 45 U.S.C. Sec. 152,
Fourth, states:
"Employees shall have the right to organize and
bargain collectively through representatives of their own
choosing. . . . No carrier, its officers, or agents shall deny or in
any way question the right of its employees to join, organize, or
assist in organizing the labor organization of their choice, and it
shall be unlawful for any carrier to interfere in any way with the
organization of its employees, or to use the funds of the carrier
in maintaining or assisting or contributing to any labor organization,
labor representative, or other agency of collective bargaining,
or in performing any work therefore, or to influence or
coerce employees in an effort to induce them to join or remain
or not to join or remain members of any labor organization . . ."​

This means it is illegal and a violation of federal law for any
airline or another union to interfere with or coerce its employees
in their decision to form or join a union. It's critical to
document any coercion or harassment, regardless of who is
doing it, as this is a violation of your employee rights under
the RLA.

But companies can run their own informational messages. Have all hands meetings to discuss what the compnay does for it employees, and it can hire outside consulting compnies to help in this process. This is not considered harassment.

 

[exagony]

That sounds like things are getting bad at Flex.... wish you best of luck... how does the whole process work?

 

[jetwash]

That sounds like things are getting bad at Flex.... wish you best of luck... how does the whole process work?

All this is happening during the honeymoon period.
It makes you wonder what is coming down the pipe if the union is voted out.

 

[2dotslow]

Slow down guys. Nothing bad has happened. Think about what's really important as a crewmember (not goofy uniforms......).

 

[exagony]

Slow down guys. Nothing bad has happened. Think about what's really important as a crewmember (not goofy uniforms......).

Think the concern my friends at Flex have is that once "bad stuff' starts to happen that it will be too late to recover what is taken away

 

[luckydog]

Think the concern my friends at Flex have is that once "bad stuff' starts to happen that it will be too late to recover what is taken away

Some people are confused about the way the process works. After representatoon is voted in, both sides start from scratch on the contract. There is absolutely no guarantee of retaining or regaining what we have now.

Given that the Flight Options crews are already represented by the IBT, it's quite probable that their current contract will be used as a starting point.

 

[realityman]

Some people are confused about the way the process works. After representatoon is voted in, both sides start from scratch on the contract. There is absolutely no guarantee of retaining or regaining what we have now.

Given that the Flight Options crews are already represented by the IBT, it's quite probable that their current contract will be used as a starting point.

There is NEVER a guarantee of anything when negotiating a union contract. A great deal depends on the strength and resolve of the union members.

However, with no union you are GUARANTEED to be at the mercy of whatever direction management decides the wind blows that day. I'm already hearing complaints about things KR has altered and/or taken away from the Flex guys. Maybe they're little things, maybe not. But knowing KR, it's just the beginning.

You folks will have to decide what's best for yourselves. Maybe a union isn't needed. But I know KR and my gut tells me you very badly need a union.

I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think so.

 

[JetFlex]

Some people are confused about the way the process works. After representatoon is voted in, both sides start from scratch on the contract. There is absolutely no guarantee of retaining or regaining what we have now.

Given that the Flight Options crews are already represented by the IBT, it's quite probable that their current contract will be used as a starting point.

I admit confusion over the process. However, my understanding since we are currently two different companies is that if FJ chooses to unionize, the salary and benefits must be frozen at the their current level once the company has been given notice of a vote. Is that not correct?

 

[BE40Driver]

That is NOT correct!! Anything can change till a CBA is signed. Sorry Folks!

 

[luckydog]

Technically, during the status quo period nothing is supposed to change, but it's more likely that...

Anything can change till a CBA is signed.

 

[doh]

Slow down guys. Nothing bad has happened. Think about what's really important as a crewmember (not goofy uniforms......).

1/3 of the 401k just got taken away. You consider that "nothing bad"? It's unconscionable.

 

[doh]

All this is happening during the honeymoon period.
It makes you wonder what is coming down the pipe if the union is voted out.

The honeymoon was the first year. It's over.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Some people are confused about the way the process works. After representatoon is voted in, both sides start from scratch on the contract. There is absolutely no guarantee of retaining or regaining what we have now.

Given that the Flight Options crews are already represented by the IBT, it's quite probable that their current contract will be used as a starting point.

Yes lucky, some people are confused and that includes you. We have a contract that is AMENDABLE. Flex starts from scratch. No way we want you to fall under our pay scale, so go back and do your homework. But then again you got that talking point straight from the lawyers.

 

[japhy]

Seconded

Thirded. Lets get this thing rolling.