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General Lee

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From a Reuters article on CNBC dot com, an excerpt from the article:

US, Brent crude tumbles as OPEC takes laissez-faire approach
Reuters



"KUNA quoted Omair as saying $76-77 a barrel might be the level that would end the oil price slide, since that was the cost of oil production in the United States and Russia.

Top oil exporter Saudi Arabia is also quietly telling oil market participants that Riyadh is comfortable with markedly lower oil prices for an extended period, a sharp shift in policy that may be aimed at slowing the expansion of rival producers including those in the U.S. shale patch.

In private meetings with oil market investors and analysts Saudi official have telegraphed that the kingdom, OPEC's largest producer, is ready to accept oil prices below $90 per barrel, and perhaps down to $80, for as long as a year or two, according to people who have been briefed on the recent conversations."




Wow, that will really add to profits at all airlines, and the resulting profit sharing for those airlines that have it. Oil this low probably could have sustained 50 seat RJs and their lower range of profitability. (How ironic) Instead, 200 plus will be parked at one legacy, regardless. At least there will be mainline expansion and hiring.



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Here comes Ebola paranoia.

Methinks if it gets much worse (whether perception OR reality), the last place people will want to be is on a jet with 150-200 coughing, sneezing strangers.

Might dent that profit sharing check a bit. Jussssss sayin.
 
Here comes Ebola paranoia.

Methinks if it gets much worse (whether perception OR reality), the last place people will want to be is on a jet with 150-200 coughing, sneezing strangers.

Might dent that profit sharing check a bit. Jussssss sayin.

Uhhhh, not so far, three of the four quarters are done, and the profit sharing amounts have already been placed in a profit sharing fund. The second quarter profit of $1.4 billion was already the highest one quarter profit in history, and the third will probably be higher. Even if you stopped after the third quarter, the profit sharing will likely be twice what was given last year. (A check on Feb 14 of this year). Throw in tumbling oil for the last quarter, and I don't think you are correct. Just sayin... We shall see.



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If this Ebola thing gets bigger, it will be great for the 91/135 jet jockeys. You can't be putting those 6 and 7 figure guys and gals on a filthy 30 year old MD88 infested with common people cooties. :erm:
 
Hey now, those are 26 year old MD-88s you're talking crap about. Get it right! :)
 
I believe the price of fuel isn't in our profit sharing calculations ???.. Which is a good thing .. It's based on other stats .. So we're not screwed by the swings of oil. Correct me if I wrong..
 
I believe the price of fuel isn't in our profit sharing calculations ???.. Which is a good thing .. It's based on other stats .. So we're not screwed by the swings of oil. Correct me if I wrong..

It's based off of profits. Lower oil helps with that. I think you were thinking of the "no furlough clause" which counted high oil prices as one thing they couldn't furlough for.


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I believe the price of fuel isn't in our profit sharing calculations ???.. Which is a good thing .. It's based on other stats .. So we're not screwed by the swings of oil. Correct me if I wrong..

I think you've got two programs mixed up together. Profit sharing is a percentage of the profit - based on the amount of the profit the percentage is variable. Larger profit, larger percentage.

There's also a performance incentive program that pays out fixed amounts, I believe quarterly, for meeting certain performance metrics. On time, etc...
 
Just looked and cost (non-fuel are part of the calculations ) for our PBP that's what I was think of .... (
Alaska airlines )profits are of course the largest piece of the pie ...
 
The low cost of oil will most likely be offset with the cost of Ebola. I hate to say it and obviously hope it doesn't come to fruition.
 
The thread should be titled: "oil prices tumble, here comes the layoffs".
 
The low cost of oil will most likely be offset with the cost of Ebola. I hate to say it and obviously hope it doesn't come to fruition.

Looks like Cleveland may be just as bad Lagos if this isn't contained. What the heck is going on with that hospital in Dallas? Talk about Ridiculous.



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Looks like Cleveland may be just as bad Lagos if this isn't contained. What the heck is going on with that hospital in Dallas? Talk about Ridiculous.



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They weren't ready in any shape or form. Just like most of the local hospitals in this country. We should have shut down the West African passport holders (or US passport holders that have been there) 3 friggin' months ago.

For all of our sakes.
 
They weren't ready in any shape or form. Just like most of the local hospitals in this country. We should have shut down the West African passport holders (or US passport holders that have been there) 3 friggin' months ago.

For all of our sakes.

I agree.


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It's based off of profits. Lower oil helps with that. I think you were thinking of the "no furlough clause" which counted high oil prices as one thing they couldn't furlough for.


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Whoops. Lee is wrong once again. Like candy from a SKY dispatcher.

"But fuel, the airline's biggest single expense, jumped 29 percent to $2.95 billion. Delta recorded $347 million in charges for adjustments to fuel-hedging ? those are contracts to protect against big spikes in fuel prices, but they can backfire if oil prices fall."
 
Whoops. Lee is wrong once again. Like candy from a SKY dispatcher.

"But fuel, the airline's biggest single expense, jumped 29 percent to $2.95 billion. Delta recorded $347 million in charges for adjustments to fuel-hedging ? those are contracts to protect against big spikes in fuel prices, but they can backfire if oil prices fall."

Was the above for Q3? Oil has dropped huge amounts in the last 2 weeks. DL is not 100% hedged. Sooooooo, I'm thinking a drop in overall fuel WILL help, a lot. Wrong Juany, wrong.


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Well, that's where you should have turned right instead of left. Wrong again. NEXT!

Wow, you are jealous. You can't even focus on the part about $1.6 billion in profits, an extra $900 million in free cash flow, and now over $800 million in profit sharing. And that's after that hedging charge for LAST quarter. Even RA said for the year the profit should be over $4 billion. Your airline won't even come close. Oh well.



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Wow, you are jealous. You can't even focus on the part about $1.6 billion in profits, an extra $900 million in free cash flow, and now over $800 million in profit sharing. And that's after that hedging charge for LAST quarter. Even RA said for the year the profit should be over $4 billion. Your airline won't even come close. Oh well.



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Bankruptcy: don't run an airline without it.
 
Whoops. Lee is wrong once again. Like candy from a SKY dispatcher.

"But fuel, the airline's biggest single expense, jumped 29 percent to $2.95 billion. Delta recorded $347 million in charges for adjustments to fuel-hedging ? those are contracts to protect against big spikes in fuel prices, but they can backfire if oil prices fall."

You have to remember where Genny comes from historically and why he keeps talking about others being jealous of Delta....even when they aren't.

Genny was extremely jealous of a small Texas company called Southwest as they powered thru events like 9/11 and continued to hire pilots the entire time. Even running a newhire class the next day.

Meanwhile he watched his beloved airline get crushed from '01-05. Huge furloughs, huge corporate losses, massive outsourcing. It all culminated into a bankruptcy filing Sept 05.

What a horrible 5 years. So is he happy now? Sure, but he still can't help himself trying to dig on SW. That's really were the anger comes from. He was unbelievably jealous from 01-05 and it drove him crazy. He carries it with him to this day. Bill L might have found himself down this line of thinking of well. They have trouble just letting it go.
 
Well, that's where you should have turned right instead of left. Wrong again. NEXT!

Oh Juany, looks like in the "special items" section I found this:

"a $215 million charge for mark-to-market adjustments on fuel hedges settling in future periods;"


So, it looks like they did settle "future" hedges already. Now that gas has fallen so much, they may take advantage of it. That's what you can do when you make so much in ONE quarter.... Good luck pal.


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Bankruptcy: don't run an airline without it.

Guess what? You can do it too. This is the land of second chances. Let's hope you guys don't have to go through it. It wasn't fun, except for the attorneys.

Also, you can profit like this too, it's called bag and change fees. Look into it.



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Guess what? You can do it too. This is the land of second chances. Let's hope you guys don't have to go through it. It wasn't fun, except for the attorneys.

Also, you can profit like this too, it's called bag and change fees. Look into it.



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Its not bag fees and change fees, it all started with BK. None of this is possible without it. Debate that. You can't and u know it.
 
You have to remember where Genny comes from historically and why he keeps talking about others being jealous of Delta....even when they aren't.

Genny was extremely jealous of a small Texas company called Southwest as they powered thru events like 9/11 and continued to hire pilots the entire time. Even running a newhire class the next day.

Meanwhile he watched his beloved airline get crushed from '01-05. Huge furloughs, huge corporate losses, massive outsourcing. It all culminated into a bankruptcy filing Sept 05.

What a horrible 5 years. So is he happy now? Sure, but he still can't help himself trying to dig on SW. That's really were the anger comes from. He was unbelievably jealous from 01-05 and it drove him crazy. He carries it with him to this day. Bill L might have found himself down this line of thinking of well. They have trouble just letting it go.

Well, those were a terrible 5 years, for many airlines and employees. No doubt there. Now Consolidation has really put the remaining airlines on track, including yours. And bag and change fees have helped too.

Hey, I've found something else for you Red from the article:

"Excluding mark-to-market adjustments,3 fuel expense declined $23 million driven by lower market prices and higher refinery profits. Delta's average fuel price was $2.90 per gallon for the September quarter, which includes $63 million in settled hedge gains. Operations at the refinery produced a $19 million profit for the September quarter, a $16 million improvement year-over-year."



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Wow, you are jealous. You can't even focus on the part about $1.6 billion in profits, an extra $900 million in free cash flow, and now over $800 million in profit sharing. And that's after that hedging charge for LAST quarter. Even RA said for the year the profit should be over $4 billion. Your airline won't even come close. Oh well.



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Nope-one of the many problems with you is your lack of reading comprehension ability. It's been pointed out on here hundreds of times. Never said anything about the profits, yet you try to change the subject. You said profits would get even bigger due to lower fuel, yet the opposite happened due to your myopic, linear thought process.
 

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