ATC chooses diversity over qualification

[beechdriver]

My son is in the middle of this goat rope. He is one of many highly qualified and motivated CTI grads and former military controllers who are getting turned down in favor of "more qualified" applicants off the street. Just one more step in our fundamental transformation.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...-passed-over-for-jobs-despite-being-qualified

 

[densoo]

It's outrageous. Friend of mine's kid just finished a 4-year degree at along-promised ATC feeder fix school only to be told all the rules are changed now. No grandfathering, no advantage, makes no sense.

 

[Turtle21]

This is despicable.

 

[ERfly]

What a load of crap! When I graduated college, the CTI program was in its infancy. I minored in Air Traffic Control and it sounded like a great program, should one be interested in controlling. Hopefully, things will change, but I'm betting on it. Best of luck to those of you who are or who know someone caught up in this government BS!

 

[Redtailer]

That story is very misleading. This has nothing to do with diversity. That's not only stupid, but it was interjected by the reporter. No one from the FAA said anything about increasing diversity or any type of "code speak" for it.

I heard the guy from the FAA say that he was opening the "aperture" to allow more people in. To say that that would imply increasing diversity is not only subjective at best, but may be inaccurate. There is no evidence to link opening the program up to everyone would increase the diversity ratio at all.

Now having said all of that, what this is truly about is money and lots of it. I will not discount the value of the students that graduate from this program, however keep in mind that 24 years ago the only requirement to apply to take the test to be admitted in to the controller program was a HS degree. The bulk of the controllers that are working today were hired under that program. You don't see planes running in to one another because of it and that's the rationale by the FAA. Their training works for someone off of the street.

What this is really about is that the folks from the CTI will want higher salaries and will have a stranglehold on the job pipeline if the FAA didn't open up the "aperture" for hiring. This is about keeping wages low.

Ok so maybe I was wrong about it not being about diversity. Just not ethnic, racial or sex diversity, but about income diversity. They want more people that won't demand the higher salary down the line.

 

[St. Nic]

Yhgtbsm!!!! When's the insanity going to end?

 

[The Drizzle]

That story is very misleading. This has nothing to do with diversity. That's not only stupid, but it was interjected by the reporter. No one from the FAA said anything about increasing diversity or any type of "code speak" for it.

I heard the guy from the FAA say that he was opening the "aperture" to allow more people in. To say that that would imply increasing diversity is not only subjective at best, but may be inaccurate. There is no evidence to link opening the program up to everyone would increase the diversity ratio at all.

Now having said all of that, what this is truly about is money and lots of it. I will not discount the value of the students that graduate from this program, however keep in mind that 24 years ago the only requirement to apply to take the test to be admitted in to the controller program was a HS degree. The bulk of the controllers that are working today were hired under that program. You don't see planes running in to one another because of it and that's the rationale by the FAA. Their training works for someone off of the street.

What this is really about is that the folks from the CTI will want higher salaries and will have a stranglehold on the job pipeline if the FAA didn't open up the "aperture" for hiring. This is about keeping wages low.

Ok so maybe I was wrong about it not being about diversity. Just not ethnic, racial or sex diversity, but about income diversity. They want more people that won't demand the higher salary down the line.

Careful now, this doesn't fit the impotent white rage narrative that's so popular among pilots.

 

[johnsonrod]

Unbelievable! I sincerely hope your son finds a job.

Sorry, but anyone who voted for Obama a 2nd time really has themselves to blame. This diversity theme is all too common in this failed administration.

 

[Mamma]

Careful now, this doesn't fit the impotent white rage narrative that's so popular among pilots.

If this is what you think of your fellow pilots, I wish you luck I getting furloughed. Maybe you'd be happier somewhere else where ignorance like yours runs rampant. Just an observation...

 

[Turtle21]

I say we start diversifying the pilot group by hiring off the street from high school. The company can leave them in training until they can earn their ATP. Think of how cheap a high school grad would be!!

Racism is such a great way for the oligarchy to get the serfs to fight each other while the oligarchy screws things up and fleeces the masses.

 

[wms]

That story is very misleading. This has nothing to do with diversity. That's not only stupid, but it was interjected by the reporter. No one from the FAA said anything about increasing diversity or any type of "code speak" for it.

I heard the guy from the FAA say that he was opening the "aperture" to allow more people in. To say that that would imply increasing diversity is not only subjective at best, but may be inaccurate. There is no evidence to link opening the program up to everyone would increase the diversity ratio at all.

Now having said all of that, what this is truly about is money and lots of it. I will not discount the value of the students that graduate from this program, however keep in mind that 24 years ago the only requirement to apply to take the test to be admitted in to the controller program was a HS degree. The bulk of the controllers that are working today were hired under that program. You don't see planes running in to one another because of it and that's the rationale by the FAA. Their training works for someone off of the street.

What this is really about is that the folks from the CTI will want higher salaries and will have a stranglehold on the job pipeline if the FAA didn't open up the "aperture" for hiring. This is about keeping wages low.

Ok so maybe I was wrong about it not being about diversity. Just not ethnic, racial or sex diversity, but about income diversity. They want more people that won't demand the higher salary down the line.

"Opening the aperture", coined by Anthony Foxx, is diversity expansion. It was his agenda as mayor of CLT.

 

[redflyer65]

Let's build that chocolate city Mr Nagin.

The candidates should be chosen on their merits, not their skin color (no matter what that color is).

This is nothing more than the Obama administration doing what they do best. Picking winners and losers.

 

[Flyer1015]

While I agree "opening the aperture" sounds wrong, why should FAA controllers only come from CTI or the military?

 

[Turtle21]

While I agree "opening the aperture" sounds wrong, why should FAA controllers only come from CTI or the military?

I think the more pressing question is why Unqualified applicants (with ZERO experience) are chosen in preference to highly trained and experienced applicants, if that is indeed happening as reported.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

That story is very misleading. This has nothing to do with diversity.

A sudden 'change in direction' comes from one place: the WH and its minions.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has enjoyed a long-standing relationship with your organization and values our partnership in the training of potential Air Traffic Controllers (ATC). Recently, the FAA completed a barrier analysis of the ATC occupation pursuant to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission?s (EEOC) Management Directive 715. As a result of the analysis, recommendations were identified that we are implementing to improve and streamline the selection of ATC candidates. These improvements will have a direct and present impact on all hiring sources, including CTI.

 

[inline]

Careful now, this doesn't fit the impotent white rage narrative that's so popular among pilots.

Another self hating white libtard. These useful idiots worship Barry hussein and hillary

 

[Redtailer]

"Opening the aperture", coined by Anthony Foxx, is diversity expansion. It was his agenda as mayor of CLT.

So let me get this straight. Because a mayor in CLT used the term in that way and I can't even verify that part or really care to, that automatically means that someone in DC using a similar term is using it in the same way? Never mind the fact that no one said word one about diversity issues in the FAA. Was there a memo on diversity hiring? Did anyone in the FAA say they needed to bring in more minorities? Outside of basically 3 words, that I guarantee most people do not associate with diversity, what link to the FAA's decision is there to diversity?

My point is that the only person that even mentioned diversity was the reporter. In fact he provided nothing to support his allegation that this was about diversity at all. He mentioned it and you guys bit it hook, line and sinker never once questioning how he came to such a conclusion.

Just ask yourself this question. Would a story about the Feds hiring cheaper labor make a better story than highly qualified candidates being passed over in favor of diversity?

Lastly, think about this. If this story was even slightly true why would you have to watch a local news channel for this? FOX News would be creaming all over themselves for a story like this. So what have you heard from them? Silence. That should tell you a lot if even FOX isn't jumping on board.

 

[SOVT]

So let me get this straight. Because a mayor in CLT used the term in that way and I can't even verify that part or really care to, that automatically means that someone in DC using a similar term is using it in the same way? Never mind the fact that no one said word one about diversity issues in the FAA. Was there a memo on diversity hiring? Did anyone in the FAA say they needed to bring in more minorities? Outside of basically 3 words, that I guarantee most people do not associate with diversity, what link to the FAA's decision is there to diversity?

My point is that the only person that even mentioned diversity was the reporter. In fact he provided nothing to support his allegation that this was about diversity at all. He mentioned it and you guys bit it hook, line and sinker never once questioning how he came to such a conclusion.

Just ask yourself this question. Would a story about the Feds hiring cheaper labor make a better story than highly qualified candidates being passed over in favor of diversity?

Lastly, think about this. If this story was even slightly true why would you have to watch a local news channel for this? FOX News would be creaming all over themselves for a story like this. So what have you heard from them? Silence. That should tell you a lot if even FOX isn't jumping on board.

"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has enjoyed a long-standing relationship with your organization and values our partnership in the training of potential Air Traffic Controllers (ATC). Recently, the FAA completed a barrier analysis of the ATC occupation pursuant to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission?s (EEOC) Management Directive 715. As a result of the analysis, recommendations were identified that we are implementing to improve and streamline the selection of ATC candidates. These improvements will have a direct and present impact on all hiring sources, including CTI."

Care to rethink your statement?

 

[Redtailer]

"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has enjoyed a long-standing relationship with your organization and values our partnership in the training of potential Air Traffic Controllers (ATC). Recently, the FAA completed a barrier analysis of the ATC occupation pursuant to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission?s (EEOC) Management Directive 715. As a result of the analysis, recommendations were identified that we are implementing to improve and streamline the selection of ATC candidates. These improvements will have a direct and present impact on all hiring sources, including CTI."

Care to rethink your statement?

Care to cite your source?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Care to cite your source?

I posted this originally. Here's where it's from:

https://www.facebook.com/NATCAfamily/posts/10151863481278061

 

[Freight Dawg]

I think that if you are turning a blind eye to the sudden diversification, and do not believe that it is tied to the current administration then you are sorely mistaken. This diversification is targeted at certain groups, and only certain groups. If you are not identified as the selected diversification group then you are not being promoted to higher levels with the government as a whole.

I think that we as a nation are so concerned with offending everyone, we are allowing someone that doesn't meet the requirements to be allowed to full fill a position based on diversification. I myself being in aviation would rather see people who are the best candidates fill the position regardless of their diversity.

I have flown with pilots that have all diversified backgrounds etc, and they all do an excellent job. I think individuals should be hired on experience and merit.

Of course no matter what metrics are applied, you never get anyone competent in aviation management.

 

[wms]

So let me get this straight. Because a mayor in CLT used the term in that way and I can't even verify that part or really care to, that automatically means that someone in DC using a similar term is using it in the same way? Never mind the fact that no one said word one about diversity issues in the FAA. Was there a memo on diversity hiring? Did anyone in the FAA say they needed to bring in more minorities? Outside of basically 3 words, that I guarantee most people do not associate with diversity, what link to the FAA's decision is there to diversity?

My point is that the only person that even mentioned diversity was the reporter. In fact he provided nothing to support his allegation that this was about diversity at all. He mentioned it and you guys bit it hook, line and sinker never once questioning how he came to such a conclusion.

Just ask yourself this question. Would a story about the Feds hiring cheaper labor make a better story than highly qualified candidates being passed over in favor of diversity?

Lastly, think about this. If this story was even slightly true why would you have to watch a local news channel for this? FOX News would be creaming all over themselves for a story like this. So what have you heard from them? Silence. That should tell you a lot if even FOX isn't jumping on board.

The man in DC, the Sec of transportation, was the mayor of CLT before being appointed to that post. He coined the term and it means exactly that.
Try to find words to back up your denial, it is what it is.

Before you or someone else might be tempted to throw labels at me, my wife and kids are African-American, and we all are fed up at the insinuation of the government and activists that minorities can't compete based on their qualifications. Programs like this do two things, pass up those who have worked hard to be competitive, and kept others from fulfilling their potential by giving them a pass.

Responsible parents don't expect their children to advance without working hard to meet qualifications, and neither should the government. And I find it offensive that government or activists think the only way our youth, regardless of their background can advance is to get a pass.

 

[redflyer65]

WMS brings up an interesting point...

What about those minorities that might have been in the CTI program that worked their ass off for that certification? Basically worked hard to get the job with the FAA and then told 'sorry, when needed to widen the aperture.' What a kick in the sack.

 

[bobbyice]

What happened to redtailer?

 

[ATRCAPT]

Unbelievable! I sincerely hope your son finds a job.

Sorry, but anyone who voted for Obama a 2nd time really has themselves to blame. This diversity theme is all too common in this failed administration.

I think Obama is a miserable, incompetent piece of sh!t who is destroying this nation, however this problem started long before anyone had ever heard of him. Back in the 90's when most of us were slugging it out at rat-sh!t regional carriers minorities were going straight to the right seat at the majors. Hell, one of my own CPT trainees (minority) flew the t-prop as an FO for all of 4 months before going to UAL. Nothing new under the sun, and it aint gonna change any time soon.