Virgin Awarded Love Field Gates

[Flopgut]

It is time for an investigation into SWA and Texas airport politics

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/e...p-politics-out-of-love-field-gates-debate.ece

 

[Flopgut]

How much help did SWA get after 9/11?

When have they ever needed anything that they did not get? The WA was adjusted when/how they wanted, and now it's almost gone. Having 18 of 20 gates at Love does not jive with a fair market. What have they ever divested? When has a legacy been forced to divest something that SWA wasn't the primary benefactor?

 

[redflyer65]

Flop,

Wouldn't be cool if Continental had their own special Wright Amendment? Show me were in the history of domestic aviation has Federal Government Regulation passed to throttle back one carrier.

The biggest difference over the years between SW and other carriers has been horrible management at the legacies. But Flop would rather say it's Government kick backs.

Flop, why would we give up slots (at slot controlled airports) when we've never operated at any of them? Your logical is laughable.

 

[waveflyer]

So is you're speiling red

 

[waveflyer]

Flop, shouldn't you be more concerned with how United's being managed than SWA?

You aren't seriously saying that it's SWA's fault that united just posted big losses are you?

 

[redflyer65]

So is you're speiling red

Poor writing and bad spelling are two different things my friend. I've never been about to right very well. See how the spell check still liked that!?

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah, that's good logical man

 

[Flopgut]

You aren't seriously saying that it's SWA's fault that united just posted big losses are you?

Well of course I'm not saying that Wave. Come on! We've been discussing this for years, you know me better than that. Frankly, United might be toast. And it's [almost] equal blame between CAL & UAL. UAL never really fixed/dealt with their problems, and CAL brought a RJ/outsourcing obsessed empty suit CEO to the equation.

That being said: one big reason a legacy CEO like Anderson is the exception and not the rule is, most good leaders do not want to manage against the BS favoritism SWA receives. Potentially good airline CEOs will just go elsewhere and not be subjected to having to compete in a market that is not balanced and fair.

 

[Flopgut]

More:

http://upgrd.com/aerospace/virgin-america-wins-dallas-love-field-gates-announces-major-sales.html

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Now THAT was a good rant. Nice job.

 

[Flopgut]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...ove-field-gates-than-southwest-airlines.html/

 

[FlyinGuy]

Hey flop, what about the assanine restrictions about how many gates the new terminal could have plus no international? Is that not govt/AA hinderence of your beloved competition claims. Why was everyone so afraid of opening up KDAL to whatever the market could support? Or does that only apply to the "chosen" hubs?

 

[bri5150]

http://www.change.org/petitions/tel...utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

Petition going.

 

[waveflyer]

Cool bri, then truly free it

(See flyinguy's post above)

This isn't dca. There's a lot more room, but it will still be artificially restricted

As long as Texas continues these socialistic, crony capitalist policies, we're going to lobby to get all we can get out of our headquarters.

I still find it ironic that red state Texas has these issues, while blue state California has the diverse airport system it does. No ARTIFICIAL restrictions in Orange County, Burbank, or Ontario- DESPITE SUCH PROXIMITY TO LAX.
No ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS in, oakland despite just 6 air miles separating it from SFO. NONE IN SJC 35 miles south.

The fact that we restrict any flying out of any Texas airport is ridiculous. Let the markets decide.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey flop, what about the assanine restrictions about how many gates the new terminal could have plus no international? Is that not govt/AA hinderence of your beloved competition claims. Why was everyone so afraid of opening up KDAL to whatever the market could support? Or does that only apply to the "chosen" hubs?

Got to go back to how/why DFW was built in the first place. It was not essential, and when legacy airlines wanted back in to Love, the were denied. It wasn't open to them then, and it's not available to them now either. DOJ basically threw 3 legacies off Love in the last few months. (Delta and American/USAir) That's the reality.

 

[Flopgut]

I still find it ironic that red state Texas has these issues, while blue state California has the diverse airport system it does.

It's because people are(for the most part) the exact opposite of what they most vehemently claim they are not. Texas wants big airports that they claim will be the market for all competition, then they turn around and do the opposite after a legacy creates the revenue to build it. It's like SWA and competition. You claim you're for it, the reality is that you're not. Your airline feels entitled to 90% of Love Field and to use any back room deal you can muster to get it.

I think either way on this one, you're going to lose. Get the gates: there will be a backlash. Don't get them: You get to watch Virgin thrive right under your nose.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Why did they throw the "3 legacies" off the property?

Because they (govt/AA) wrote that into the agreement. No airline will be allowed to fly from DAL and DFW. If they would have just repealed the stupid Wright amendment and let free competition reign, SWA would probably have the same or less gates. Then anyone could fly from and to wherever they wanted.....bit noooo, that might hurt the AA fortress. So we have what we have because of AA and politics. That is why I don't have a problem with SWA having every gate at LUV!!

 

[scoreboardII]

Well of course I'm not saying that Wave. Come on! We've been discussing this for years, you know me better than that. Frankly, United might be toast. And it's [almost] equal blame between CAL & UAL. UAL never really fixed/dealt with their problems, and CAL brought a RJ/outsourcing obsessed empty suit CEO to the equation.

That being said: one big reason a legacy CEO like Anderson is the exception and not the rule is, most good leaders do not want to manage against the BS favoritism SWA receives. Potentially good airline CEOs will just go elsewhere and not be subjected to having to compete in a market that is not balanced and fair.

Wait, wait wait.... your saying United sucks because any good CEO who could do the job is afraid to go against SWA?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[LoveGun]

http://www.change.org/petitions/tel...ers-free-love-field-to-make-it-a-fare-fight-2

 

[scoreboardII]

Got to go back to how/why DFW was built in the first place. It was not essential, and when legacy airlines wanted back in to Love, the were denied. It wasn't open to them then, and it's not available to them now either. DOJ basically threw 3 legacies off Love in the last few months. (Delta and American/USAir) That's the reality.

Untrue, the legacies signed the agreement to leave LUV, you can't make it look like they lost something. They could easily have stayed, but they fell for the shiny new airport syndrome and signed a contract saying they would never go back.