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JB ALPA now has 50%+1 of the vote...ALPA and all the protections that come with them are just days away. Lets keep pushing for the last 10 days of this vote. We will get a much better CBA much faster with a 70-80% yes vote. If you haven't voted no to the DR or Yes to ALPA yet, you should do your immediate and long term career a favor and vote yes. ALPA is coming to JB in 11 days like it or not. The higher the yes vote percentage the better it is for all of us. Vote wisely, and don't let your vote be wasted if you haven't voted yet.
 
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How do you think one would come of this information. This info is not garnered from one person, but could be garnered through knowing the correct group of persons. Through the art of paying attention and studying the correct information.

What is even better about all of this is the company now knows ALPA has 50%+1. They know ALPA is now on property. However they continue to fight it and send out nasty letters defending the DR because they know what 70-80% yes votes means vs. 55-60%. This is easily seen by the fact that not a single committee member has any committee days blocked out of there schedule next month. Not the PVC, Pro Standards, not even the Scheduling committee guys have days blocked off. Not sure what June schedules are going to look like without there work. If you are a JB pilot you have access to the schedule of every pilot at JB. Don't believe me. Go look for yourself.

Again. If you haven't already voted. Do yourself and your brothers/sisters a favor and vote yes. Every % of yes votes matters.
 
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JB ALPA now has 50%+1 of the vote...ALPA and all the protections that come with them are just days away. Lets keep pushing for the last 10 days of this vote. We will get a much better CBA much faster with a 70-80% yes vote. If you haven't voted no to the DR or Yes to ALPA yet, you should do your immediate and long term career a favor and vote yes. ALPA is coming to JB in 11 days like it or not. The higher the yes vote percentage the better it is for all of us. Vote wisely, and don't let your vote be wasted if you haven't voted yet.

Your premise that you will get a better CBA and faster because of voting numbers is interesting. There is zero reason to settle a CBA quickly. The longer it drags on, the longer costs are held lower, the better it is for the company. If your also thinking that people will start just leaving just because a CBA is not imminent, I hate to burst your bubble but there will be many that will simply hang out to see what happens.

You can't start any kind of an action until you are released and that won't be for at least 3-5 years (A 'WAG'), but there is history to support my premise. Unless of course the fleas are jumping ship faster than they can hire you, you guys had better prepare for the long hard fight. Hopefully I am wrong.

Good luck with your vote.
 
Your premise that you will get a better CBA and faster because of voting numbers is interesting. There is zero reason to settle a CBA quickly. The longer it drags on, the longer costs are held lower, the better it is for the company. If your also thinking that people will start just leaving just because a CBA is not imminent, I hate to burst your bubble but there will be many that will simply hang out to see what happens.

You can't start any kind of an action until you are released and that won't be for at least 3-5 years (A 'WAG'), but there is history to support my premise. Unless of course the fleas are jumping ship faster than they can hire you, you guys had better prepare for the long hard fight. Hopefully I am wrong.

Good luck with your vote.

Retro pay will stop them from dragging their feet, not to mention following the book to the letter! Both parties can drag it out.

You are = You're ...and not "your"
 
Jetblue, more so than any other airline is absolutely dependent on a somewhat happy, cooperating pilot group. The infrastructure and management skills are so weak that this place relies on Pilots not only doing there jobs well, but doing everyone else's job too. If JB plays games with negotiations and the pilots decide to play ball too JB will fall apart slowly (alot faster if an IROP is involved).

IROPS at Jetblue are horrendous. Despite pilots tripping over themselves to help out and find solutions, JB still can not UNFUKK themselves for days. During the next IROP if just half the pilots decided to put their phones down and wait for JB to fix things, the company would shut down for a week.

Just one of many examples...Storm beginning of this year. Called out Fatigued due to unable to get 8 hours of sleep opportunity and unable to reach Crew Sched (on hold for two hours) to adjust sched. Fatigue call went in at 0700 for 1000 show (1100 DEP). At 1300 they called me and asked me where I was. It took them 2 hours past departure time to realize they didn't have a pilot for a flight. This is a completely normal way of doing business here when the slightest thing goes wrong. Numerous other debacles like not obtaining overflight permits, operating out non tower airports not in our Ops Specs, forgetting to put notams on releases for months.

Jetblue, is in general a pleasant place to go to work. If they choose to change that because they don't like Unions, it will become unpleasant for all, especially all the management that have had their a$$es covered by us and haven't had to answer for their ineptness.
 
Jetblue, more so than any other airline is absolutely dependent on a somewhat happy, cooperating pilot group. The infrastructure and management skills are so weak that this place relies on Pilots not only doing there jobs well, but doing everyone else's job too. If JB plays games with negotiations and the pilots decide to play ball too JB will fall apart slowly (alot faster if an IROP is involved).

IROPS at Jetblue are horrendous. Despite pilots tripping over themselves to help out and find solutions, JB still can not UNFUKK themselves for days. During the next IROP if just half the pilots decided to put their phones down and wait for JB to fix things, the company would shut down for a week.

Just one of many examples...Storm beginning of this year. Called out Fatigued due to unable to get 8 hours of sleep opportunity and unable to reach Crew Sched (on hold for two hours) to adjust sched. Fatigue call went in at 0700 for 1000 show (1100 DEP). At 1300 they called me and asked me where I was. It took them 2 hours past departure time to realize they didn't have a pilot for a flight. This is a completely normal way of doing business here when the slightest thing goes wrong. Numerous other debacles like not obtaining overflight permits, operating out non tower airports not in our Ops Specs, forgetting to put notams on releases for months.

Jetblue, is in general a pleasant place to go to work. If they choose to change that because they don't like Unions, it will become unpleasant for all, especially all the management that have had their a$$es covered by us and haven't had to answer for their ineptness.
And these are things a pro-airline management active union could fix. Can you imagine a union going on strike over these instead of pay, days off and QOL?
 
Jetblue, more so than any other airline is absolutely dependent on a somewhat happy, cooperating pilot group. The infrastructure and management skills are so weak that this place relies on Pilots not only doing there jobs well, but doing everyone else's job too. If JB plays games with negotiations and the pilots decide to play ball too JB will fall apart slowly (alot faster if an IROP is involved).

IROPS at Jetblue are horrendous. Despite pilots tripping over themselves to help out and find solutions, JB still can not UNFUKK themselves for days. During the next IROP if just half the pilots decided to put their phones down and wait for JB to fix things, the company would shut down for a week.

Just one of many examples...Storm beginning of this year. Called out Fatigued due to unable to get 8 hours of sleep opportunity and unable to reach Crew Sched (on hold for two hours) to adjust sched. Fatigue call went in at 0700 for 1000 show (1100 DEP). At 1300 they called me and asked me where I was. It took them 2 hours past departure time to realize they didn't have a pilot for a flight. This is a completely normal way of doing business here when the slightest thing goes wrong. Numerous other debacles like not obtaining overflight permits, operating out non tower airports not in our Ops Specs, forgetting to put notams on releases for months.

Jetblue, is in general a pleasant place to go to work. If they choose to change that because they don't like Unions, it will become unpleasant for all, especially all the management that have had their a$$es covered by us and haven't had to answer for their ineptness.

I agree that JB does enjoy the real benefits of a hungry, pretty motivated pilot work group BUT, anytime you underestimate your opponent, you will be sorry. My money's bet on this Mgt group is not as dumb as you think.
 
Retro pay will stop them from dragging their feet, not to mention following the book to the letter! Both parties can drag it out.

You are = You're ...and not "your"

Retro pay??? Do you really think they're worried about a few thousand for each of you while they are saving millions on your health insurance?
 
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I agree that JB does enjoy the real benefits of a hungry, pretty motivated pilot work group BUT, anytime you underestimate your opponent, you will be sorry. My money's bet on this Mgt group is not as dumb as you think.


I don't think MGT is dumb...for years they've known which buttons to push that wouldn't put us over the edge...they are masters at propaganda and the sales pitch....they miscalculated Healthcare.

Middle management is another story...not sure if it is incompetence or simply they have no power/authority to change things.

Pilots at Jetblue have lived under this cult mentality for so long that we've forgotten we have the power to push back. I think once we get a union on property such a unified group (with some resources and protection) will look a lot different than it does today, if NEED be.

The ball will be in MGMTs court...if they want to play hardball they may awaken a sleeping giant. If it is truly about "Culture" then both groups can and should work together for everyone's benefit. We'll see how Personal Dave really wants to make this.
 

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