Citationair CJ-3's and furloughs

[diggertwo]

Rumor has it that CA will be getting rid of all CJ-3's as well as a X, Sovereign and two Excels with furloughs between 35-45 in March.

This news sucks to all those still there.

 

[NoJoy]

Any word if CA is doing any flying for Wheels UP in the near future with the big Citation orders announced?

 

[diggertwo]

Unfortunately this rumor turned out to be true. Not sure how many will be furloughed, though.

 

[tdwnds1]

Holy Crap! Whats left?

 

[Mungusaurus]

23 firings. Furlough means theres a chance of rehire!
Be down to about 60 pilots by 3/31.
There is no pilot shortage until all CA guys/gals get hired, they earned it.
If anybody says the Union caused this please PM me first.

 

[rigger]

23 firings. Furlough means theres a chance of rehire!
Be down to about 60 pilots by 3/31.
There is no pilot shortage until all CA guys/gals get hired, they earned it.
If anybody says the Union caused this please PM me first.

The union helped cause this.......I know I was there.......flame on!

 

[chief9404]

The union helped cause this.......I know I was there.......flame on!

The company helped bring in a union. They just don't show up for no reason.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I blame all parties involved! It was the perfect storm. Good luck to all my fellow pilots still there.

 

[OHGOON]

The union helped cause this.......I know I was there.......flame on!

Still spreading misinformation and hate I see...

You were an outsider... hater! You were never involved on any level, so no, you weren't there!...Consequently, you know nothing about what went on with the Union at CA because your ears were completely muffled at the time in question by the inside of management's colon.

Please stop pretending you have a clue about what happened. In fact, your type of active non-support had more to do with eviscerating the Union's effectiveness than anything management could have done. You stood by and watched others struggle and now seek to blame them for your treasonous behavior... End result, we all became spectators to the dismantling of one of the most solid fractional brands out there. Shame on Textron's limitless greed and criminal shortsightedness.

I know you are unreachable, but I'll be damned if I'll idly stand by and allow you to continue to besmirch the hard, and at times career threatening, work many of your pilot colleagues voluntarily did to try to improve your QOL at CA. In fact, why don't you go look in a mirror the next time you feel the need to blame someone for this mess!

Once a troll, always a troll.

 

[rigger]

Still spreading misinformation and hate I see...

You were an outsider... hater! You were never involved on any level, so no, you weren't there!...Consequently, you know nothing about what went on with the Union at CA because your ears were completely muffled at the time in question by the inside of management's colon.

Please stop pretending you have a clue about what happened. In fact, your type of active non-support had more to do with eviscerating the Union's effectiveness than anything management could have done. You stood by and watched others struggle and now seek to blame them for your treasonous behavior... End result, we all became spectators to the dismantling of one of the most solid fractional brands out there. Shame on Textron's limitless greed and criminal shortsightedness.





I know you are unreachable, but I'll be damned if I'll idly stand by and allow you to continue to besmirch the hard, and at times career threatening, work many of your pilot colleagues voluntarily did to try to improve your QOL at CA. In fact, why don't you go look in a mirror the next time you feel the need to blame someone for this mess!

Once a troll, always a troll.

Lol.....your a funny person! Company was not perfect but always tried to do the right thing, union was brought on because of what happened to JH in aspen and how he was treated....very wrong but real non the less. Was he wrong no was the chief pilot wrong yep......but that is the reality of the unions beginnings. Couple that the airline mentality of you gotta have a union and poof you have what you have, as was said both parties were part of the union process, but that's always the way it is.......

So as I said I WAS THERE I KNOW........

Always said unions were not the answer, they just want the money ( always follow the money) (if it was not about money then they would not have threatened furloughs guys after they got furlough notices to pay up to remain in good standing for future jobs if this same all caring union was on that property)

But there are those folks that feel they are unable to do for themselves and need a group to be part of and need govt to step in and make it FAIR OHHHHHHGOOOOOON is one of those....sorry for ya buddy,

oh and by the way I did not ask my fellow pilots to volunteer and work hard to improve my quality of life at CA I had a great quality of life had a great job, had no real complaints ( plenty of bitches) and have never said anything bad about those guys who I know well......they had a bad cause ( in my opinion) which helped the ultimate demise of the company not the only cause but contributed to the spin.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Well said rigger.

 

[Downwind]

Well said rigger.

No, it wasn't. It was actually very poorly said. He may be correct (I have no idea) but it was written in broken and almost incoherent English. Even for FI.com.

 

[rigger]

No, it wasn't. It was actually very poorly said. He may be correct (I have no idea) but it was written in broken and almost incoherent English. Even for FI.com.

I suck I know, but remember it takes a small mind to only spell and punctuate one way...... Hell I wasn't even drunk! Thank god I'm a pilot!!!!!

 

[outerfix]

Union/ Non-Union, who cares. It's all water under the bridge. Let us rest in peace.

 

[XTW]

The union helped cause this.......I know I was there.......flame on!

The union didn't write owner contracts that were guaranteed to lose money, the company did. When that happens, you lose money. Cessna/Textron's new management does not run companies that can't make money. Game over.

X

 

[FRACTRASH]

Has anyone read one of these bad contracts? there was a formula they used based on a good economy and that meant the sales of new airplanes. That went south with the turn of the economy and a change in Cessna management. The company was sucking serious hind wind at this point. After the crash or recession, what ever you want to call it. Our flying damn near disappeared. We would sit hot reserve for hours along with sixty other crews. Now add the stress of the Obama administration and the Teamsters who was a huge support for his election. That was enough to shoot the final hole in the bottom the this already sinking boat. Well, maybe they did us a favor and just sped up the inevitable. The point is, it's never a good idea to kick the corporate bull in the balls when he's injured. He turned around and gave us his horns. I knew it was bad timing and my vote reflected that but too late.

 

[Praetorian]

Has anyone read one of these bad contracts? there was a formula they used based on a good economy and that meant the sales of new airplanes. That went south with the turn of the economy and a change in Cessna management. The company was sucking serious hind wind at this point. After the crash or recession, what ever you want to call it. Our flying damn near disappeared. We would sit hot reserve for hours along with sixty other crews. Now add the stress of the Obama administration and the Teamsters who was a huge support for his election. That was enough to shoot the final hole in the bottom the this already sinking boat. Well, maybe they did us a favor and just sped up the inevitable. The point is, it's never a good idea to kick the corporate bull in the balls when he's injured. He turned around and gave us his horns. I knew it was bad timing and my vote reflected that but too late.

The truth is Cessna sold the CA pilots down the river when they signed a non-compete with NJ as part of a large aircraft order. It had nothing to do with the union.

Ask yourself, why would CA voluntarily announce they were exiting the Fractional market, which was the most profitable part of their operation.

 

[jonjuan]

The truth is Cessna sold the CA pilots down the river when they signed a non-compete with NJ as part of a large aircraft order. It had nothing to do with the union.

Ask yourself, why would CA voluntarily announce they were exiting the Fractional market, which was the most profitable part of their operation.

They had massive losses for years.

 

[Smooth Cruz]

Also, don't forget that recent research has shown the empirical evidence for globalization of corporate innovation is very limited. And as a corollary, the market for technologies is shrinking.

As a world leader, it is important for America to provide systematic research grants for our scientists. I believe there will always be a need for us to have a well-articulated innovation policy with emphasis on human resource development. Thank you.

Frank

 

[FRACTRASH]

Before they sold us down the river to NJ. We didn't make a fractional sale for something like two years. If we can't sale our product and make money for Cessna why wouldn't they make some kind of deal. My point is, we needed to tread lightly. We'll never know if it would have turned out differently in some way without complicating the situation with the Teamsters. I truly believe they were the straw that broke the camel's back. Well it's definitely water over the dam now. I don't think CA has more then a few months. Just a Damn shame!