AA pot-stir

[acaTerry]

I keep hearing that AA pay is "about to go way up". How so? Granted I have been handcuffed to NutJets the past 9 years (can't wait to escape) so I'm a bit out of touch with what's going on in the 121 world, but I can' find anything to support the rumor (or fact?). So someone tell me:
1) How / why will it got up?
2) Please define "way up".

I'm a FI veteran since the site was founded so I know how it goes here.....you won't hurt my feelings! Go ahead, and thanks!!!

 

[ackattacker]

I keep hearing that AA pay is "about to go way up". How so? Granted I have been handcuffed to NutJets the past 9 years (can't wait to escape) so I'm a bit out of touch with what's going on in the 121 world, but I can' find anything to support the rumor (or fact?). So someone tell me:
1) How / why will it got up?
2) Please define "way up".

I'm a FI veteran since the site was founded so I know how it goes here.....you won't hurt my feelings! Go ahead, and thanks!!!

AA pay rates are set by the contract they signed last year, plus a bit more for the MOU which is about to become effective at the merger POR date (tomorrow), which have been posted on this board multiple times. There is no rumor involved, those pay rates are fact, and they aren't going to change anytime soon. "Way up" is a matter of perspective I suppose. 8% raise Jan 1st, 3% raise 2015, 16.5% raise 2016 ("parity review" with Delta and United contracts), 3.5% 2017 and again in 2018.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=152121

 

[acaTerry]

AA pay rates are set by the contract they signed last year, plus a bit more for the MOU which is about to become effective at the merger POR date (tomorrow), which have been posted on this board multiple times. There is no rumor involved, those pay rates are fact, and they aren't going to change anytime soon. "Way up" is a matter of perspective I suppose. 8% raise Jan 1st, 3% raise 2015, 16.5% raise 2016 ("parity review" with Delta and United contracts), 3.5% 2017 and again in 2018.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=152121

Thanks. I guess an off the street guy will see about 27% because it will probably be a loooong line to get hired.

 

[SkyNation]

so what will first year pay be at the new AA?

 

[Hpilot]

Thanks. I guess an off the street guy will see about 27% because it will probably be a loooong line to get hired.

If you're thinking of leaving for the majors in the next couple years, you're timimg should be good. United, Delta, and American are going to be hiring large numbers for at least the next 10 years. Yes, there are a lot of applicants right now, but all three carriers are and will be pulling from the same pool. My choice if looking to move to a major right now would be Delta, American, then United, but it's all good. What is it they say? Go with the first one that calls. If you don't mind me asking, what's wrong with NetJets?

 

[Trogdor]

so what will first year pay be at the new AA?

$40/hour all fleet types.

 

[Whine Lover]

" If you don't mind me asking, what's wrong with NetJets?"

Uh , yeah...?

Run that logic by us if you would.


YKW

 

[BuckMurdock1]

" If you don't mind me asking, what's wrong with NetJets?"

Uh , yeah...?

Run that logic by us if you would.


YKW

I'm a furloughed NetJets guy (next mo. will be 4 yrs) and can answer one aspect of his comment; at least there's a MANDATORY retirement age at aa.

 

[Smarta$$]

$40/hour all fleet types.

What a freakin joke. Is that a fixed amount or will the cola raises increase that?

 

[pave driver]

What a freakin joke. Is that a fixed amount or will the cola raises increase that?

Your logic and shortsightedness is the real freaking joke - to say the least.

 

[pave driver]

so what will first year pay be at the new AA?

Possibly the dumbest question of 2013.

 

[Hpilot]

" If you don't mind me asking, what's wrong with NetJets?"

Uh , yeah...?

Run that logic by us if you would.


YKW

Um, yeah. When I was at a commuter in the early 2000s, a lot of pilots wanted to go there. I wasn't one of them because I always wanted to be an airline pilot. I wasn't interested in UPS or FedEx either, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.

 

[Whine Lover]

Yeah...I never applied nor had any desire to work there either.

However, I do know a few people that do and they are well compensated with decent benefits and schedules.

So, I'm just wondering what this individuals reasons for wanting to leave might be.

?

YKW

 

[BentOver]

Pre-2005 Netjets was a below average on compensation and QOL.. It was a place that many furloughees went to keep flying.

Between 2005-2007, NJA was good for Captains but really crappy still for FO's.. Mandatory 5 bases, low pay.. ( but the ever famous "you'll upgrade in 2 years" carrot)

So many SIC's left between '05-'07 (Major's hiring) that something had to be done to improve retention rates...

In comes IBB 2007... Suddenly newhires were making $65-80K first year. Every regional Captain and FO, who wasn't dead set on 121, could go to Netjets and receive an immediate improvement in their personal compensation, retirement, medical bennies, and QOL on the road.. Labor relations were excellent, in 3 years I never heard of a guy wanting to quit NJA...

Then the recession, change in management, furloughs, and now labor disputes and contract negotiations... Factor in 15+year upgrades, little to no a/c movement, management nickle and diming everything, and work not be as enjoyable... Plus pay at Majors far exceeds most anything you'll see at Netjets long term.

Netjets is still a good job, but their 2-3 years in the limelight has dimmed... It was a short but good run.

 

[aa73]

What a freakin joke. Is that a fixed amount or will the cola raises increase that?

$40/hr new hire pay is the BK pay rate that all airlines had during their BKs as well. While it is a low rate compared to UAL and DAL, it will undoubtedly come up to UAL/dal standards with the new JCBA we sign in a year or two.

 

[JoeMuch]

What a freakin joke. Is that a fixed amount or will the cola raises increase that?

Tell you interview board that. Maybe they can help you avoid working for such poor wages!

 

[zymotic]

Possibly the dumbest question of 2013.

So true. How many times do we have to have a conversation about the effect of 12 months pay on what is usually a career of several decades?

 

[zymotic]

I think this looks pretty close to current rates:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/american_airlines

For rates in 2016 look at Delta or United's page since AA will be an average of both.

 

[Smarta$$]

I will let my bank know that I don't need to pay the mortgage for 12 months. It's only a year.

Someone should let Delta, Alaska, United, Southwest, JetBlue, and probably others that they are paying first year pilots too much. I guess after a decade of flying airplanes, we all have some more dues to pay if we want to work for American.

 

[aa73]

A current JetBlue pilot, sitting here criticizing AA for first year pay rates. Priceless. I knew FI was still good for laughs.