How old is too old?

[CUBMAN]

Any thoughts on this subject? I'm 57 and considering a change into the 121 world.

 

[Flyby1206]

Any thoughts on this subject? I'm 57 and considering a change into the 121 world.

What are you flying currently?

 

[CUBMAN]

4500tt/3200me/1000 turbine pic......flying king airs.

 

[BeachBummer]

If you can't make it to 1 8 oh, before taking your first nap, your too old.

 

[Flyby1206]

4500tt/3200me/1000 turbine pic......flying king airs.

Heck, get your apps in to UAL/DAL/AA/SWA. You have 1000 PIC turbine, so you have a good shot at getting called

 

[pilotyip]

4500tt/3200me/1000 turbine pic......flying king airs.

I bet the 121 regionals would snap you up in a heartbeat

If you can't make it to 1 8 oh, before taking your first nap, your too old.

I don't trust people who don't nap in the cockpit, I am afraid they might fall asleep while I am napping.

The real danger is missing the critical call while on the approach. In the late 80's the NTSB did a study of sleep in the cockpit, looking at instances of ?Micro Napping?. This where you have no control over falling asleep and blacking out due to being fatigued. . What they found was at int'l carriers where controlled napping was allowed in cruise, there were no instances of Micro napping from start of descent to the gate. On US Air carriers there was 147 cases of Micro Napping from the start of descent to the gate. Including 4 cases of micro napping where both pilots dropped off at the same time. The danger is not missing the call because of controlled napping, but missing the call because of uncontrolled napping. BTW the FAA rejected the NTSB recommendation of setting napping policy, because it was un-American to sleep on the job.

 

[BeachBummer]

Yip, I agree.

 

[BeachBummer]

Heck, get your apps in to UAL/DAL/AA/SWA. You have 1000 PIC turbine, so you have a good shot at getting called

This^^

Do yourself a favor and don't abuse yourself at the regional level.

 

[CapnVegetto]

4500tt/3200me/1000 turbine pic......flying king airs.

The regionals shouldn't even be in your radar.

My guess is if you are a kingair pic, you are pulling down somewhere between $45k and $70k a year depending on where you live.

I would only look at a 121 job if you live in a base somewhere or if you are willing to move to one. Forget the regionals. They are crap and you are way overqualified. Why in the hell would you want to take a 50% to 200% paycut to work at a damn regional? You gain NOTHING by doing so. On the other hand, somewhere like Spirit, Virgin America, or JetBlue would probably snap you up, and you'd be making as much or more as you are now inside a couple of years.

But it ain't all about money. If you're going to commute, you will hate it. You drive to work now, and my guess is you fly somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-500 hours a year. Double your flight time and add a commute on top of it and you be on here bitching like the rest of us.

As far as the majors, send in your stuff, maybe you'll get lucky, but the guys getting calls right now have lots of 121 turbine pic or know somebody. Right now it's all about who you know. I wouldn't expect much on that front unless you have a serious in.

Why are you thinking about this? Are you unhappy where you are ? Need money? Change of pace? My advice to you is to tread carefully. If you are reasonably happy where you are, and you give up a pic gig making decent money where you drive to work and are home most nights for a job where you take an initial paycut to commute to reserve and work twice as hard as you are now, you'll want to shoot yourself.

Do the research. Any questions, PM me.

 

[pilotyip]

The regionals shouldn't even be in your radar.

My guess is if you are a kingair pic, you are pulling down somewhere between $45k and $70k a year depending on where you live.

I would only look at a 121 job if you live in a base somewhere or if you are willing to move to one. Forget the regionals. They are crap and you are way overqualified. Why in the hell would you want to take a 50% to 200% paycut to work at a damn regional? You gain NOTHING by doing so. On the other hand, somewhere like Spirit, Virgin America, or JetBlue would probably snap you up, and you'd be making as much or more as you are now inside a couple of years.

But it ain't all about money. If you're going to commute, you will hate it. You drive to work now, and my guess is you fly somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-500 hours a year. Double your flight time and add a commute on top of it and you be on here bitching like the rest of us.

As far as the majors, send in your stuff, maybe you'll get lucky, but the guys getting calls right now have lots of 121 turbine pic or know somebody. Right now it's all about who you know. I wouldn't expect much on that front unless you have a serious in.

Why are you thinking about this? Are you unhappy where you are ? Need money? Change of pace? My advice to you is to tread carefully. If you are reasonably happy where you are, and you give up a pic gig making decent money where you drive to work and are home most nights for a job where you take an initial paycut to commute to reserve and work twice as hard as you are now, you'll want to shoot yourself.

Do the research. Any questions, PM me.

He is 57, he does not have a lot of time to hang around looking for the perfect job. The longer he waits, the longer he is out of the cockpit. Having gone through this at age 53 you do not get chosey about your next job. I still recommend he look at the regionals, if you find a beter job you leave if not not you keep looking and getting paid

 

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[CapnVegetto]

He is 57, he does not have a lot of time to hang around looking for the perfect job. The longer he waits, the longer he is out of the cockpit. Having gone through this at age 53 you do not get chosey about your next job. I still recommend he look at the regionals, if you find a beter job you leave if not not you keep looking and getting paid

You are assuming he is NOT flying now. I assumed he is.

If he's unemployed, regional as a last resort, sure. If he still employed, then telling him to quit a better paying non-commuting job to commute to reserve at a regional is REALLY BAD advice.

 

[pilotyip]

You are assuming he is NOT flying now. I assumed he is.

If he's unemployed, regional as a last resort, sure. If he still employed, then telling him to quit a better paying non-commuting job to commute to reserve at a regional is REALLY BAD advice.

I assumed he was in a forced job change.

 

[kingfisher]

You could try Spirit, they hire pilots age 60+.

 

[pilotyip]

You could try Spirit, they hire pilots age 60+.

They have turned down a all of our 40+ guys with gobs of TJ PIC, who applied but have hired younger pilots, read under 35, who have about 1 year in the left seat and less than 500 TJ PIC, so go figure

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

How old do you look?

 

[CRJ puppy]

They have turned down a all of our 40+ guys with gobs of TJ PIC, who applied but have hired younger pilots, read under 35, who have about 1 year in the left seat and less than 500 TJ PIC, so go figure

I personally know someone who was 54 when they were hired by Spirit in the past year.

They love it btw.

 

[Jetjockey]

The days of having to be 30 or under went away with the flight attendants having be under 125 lbs.

 

[HRDiva]

They have turned down a all of our 40+ guys with gobs of TJ PIC, who applied but have hired younger pilots, read under 35, who have about 1 year in the left seat and less than 500 TJ PIC, so go figure

DH flew with a number of USA 3000 and Airborne guys as new hires at age 59 + recently and over the past two years. One had been a CA with 17 years at Airborne. The others had equally high numbers.

 

[greenlight]

1/2 your age + 7 years