CJ2 crash @ Santa Monica

[t-bone]

Steep Instrument Approach?????

Yup. ATC likes to clear you for the approach from 5000' inside DARTS (IIRC) and then the MDA is 503' above the airport. That makes for a steep approach if youre not expecting it. If you don't start down at the VDP, it's going go be tough to recover and remain stabilzed. Anyone know the weather reported at the time of their arrival?

 

[gc3059]

I was just trying to figure out why the previous post said only professional pilots should fly into KSMO. KSMO has circling minimums only, no straight in mins or VDP, I would think a professional would know that!

 

[shanes123]

I was just trying to figure out why the previous post said only professional pilots should fly into KSMO. KSMO has circling minimums only, no straight in mins or VDP, I would think a professional would know that!

there options pilots talking..KR told them to just land there dont ask any questions just trust him its ok..

 

[rettofly]

Yup. ATC likes to clear you for the approach from 5000' inside DARTS (IIRC) and then the MDA is 503' above the airport. That makes for a steep approach if youre not expecting it. If you don't start down at the VDP, it's going go be tough to recover and remain stabilzed. Anyone know the weather reported at the time of their arrival?

Had a REPO leg from LAX about 10 years ago in a CE560 in IMC.

ATC was very insistent about keeping the speed up as long as possible.

Kind of memorable, but we managed to get stabilized approach numbers across the fence.

 

[t-bone]

I was just trying to figure out why the previous post said only professional pilots should fly into KSMO. KSMO has circling minimums only, no straight in mins or VDP, I would think a professional would know that!

No reason you can't land straight in if you see the runway 1.7 miles from the threshold (not the MAP) and are in a position to maintain a stabilized approach.

 

[gc3059]

No reason you can't land straight in if you see the runway 1.7 miles from the threshold (not the MAP) and are in a position to maintain a stabilized approach.

What mins are you using?

 

[t-bone]

What mins are you using?

I'm using the circling minimums, and I'm using the height to determine how far from the threshold I need to see the runway to be able to proceed straight in.. Inside that point, it becomes a true circle. If I see the runway prior to that point, then my 'circle' looks straight in. Same with Aspen.

 

[gc3059]

I'm using the circling minimums, and I'm using the height to determine how far from the threshold I need to see the runway to be able to proceed straight in.. Inside that point, it becomes a true circle. If I see the runway prior to that point, then my 'circle' looks straight in. Same with Aspen.

There are two

 

[t-bone]

There are two

With and without CULVE? I'm not sure what you are saying.

 

[gc3059]

No reason you can't land straight in if you see the runway 1.7 miles from the threshold (not the MAP) and are in a position to maintain a stabilized approach.

My point is you cannot use (with CLUVE ) MDA and meet the stabilized approach criteria. 1.7 miles from the end of the runway is 2.5 DME, which is just outside of CULVE. So to shoot this approach straight in you would need to see the runway at 3.9 DME or 3.1 from the end of the runway, otherwise you have to circle.