Teamsters Ad in Flying magazine

[Freebrd]

Wow.....why doesn't ALPA do this? Two full pages too!

:angryfire

 

[PCL_128]

Have a link?

 

[JungleJett]

ALPA sucks, Teamsters suck worse.

 

[Flyer1015]

ALPA is a joke

 

[BUDDHA145]

ALPA is a joke

and Teamsters, UWU. It's all about number$$$$
Get you own in house...


Tapatalk sucks major AZZZZZ!! Don't get it....

 

[chqflyer]

I can't see whatever the ad is about, but definitely agree that Teamsters suck balls!! Unfortunately, once the Teamsters have their claws in you, they're pretty much impossible to remove. It's a parasitic relationship that kills the host if you attempt to remove it.

 

[JustaNumber]

Wow.....why doesn't ALPA do this? Two full pages too!

:angryfire

They'll probably say they can't afford it, what with executive expenses going up these days.

I've always felt that the only REAL power a union can have is the power to socially ostracize those who don't play ball. Whether it's ethical or not, it has worked in the past. Everyone's heard the stories of how captains would keep scab lists in their hats, and wouldn't so much as say hello to crewmembers on that list. It wasn't so much that this happened that much, it was the FEAR of this happening that kept most pilots from crossing picket lines.

ALPA's biggest tool they could use today would be very similar--start a media campaign to let newbies know what kind of a life they are really in for, and let them know what is and isn't acceptable voting behavior. Most new guys just want to fit in, so this could have a great effect on curbing destructive SJS behavior.

Too bad the current leadership seems to have a severe case of myopia, though, so don't look for any full-page ALPA ads targeting new guys anytime soon.

 

[pilotyip]

Organizing Flight Instructors and fast food workers?

 

[JustaNumber]

Organizing Flight Instructors and fast food workers?

In a word, yes. Because it has historically been those flight instructors lining up to take your job in a heartbeat if you say no to the currently offered compensation, that gives management the upper hand in negotiations.

Persuade those flight instructors that it wouldn't be in their best long term interest to take a job at LowBallJets, and suddenly you have some negotiating power in your current negotiations.

It's the dirty little secret of unionization, but unions exist to artificially inflate wages beyond what the free market would normally command, by creating a monopoly on labor. Bringing the next group of potential pilots into this monopoly is what unions should be focusing on, if the leadership understood why they have succeeded in the past.

[As an aside, unions used to succeed by creating a monopoly on labor, i.e. convincing new pilots not to be ostracized by the word "scab." However, they sold out this strategy by allowing management to create a "B" scale group of pilots--the entire regional pilot group. New guys are now allowed to low-ball the current workers, because the legacy airline pilots are still insulated from the free market. New pilots buy into this because it is a ponzi scheme--"I have artificially low compensation now in exchange for artificially high compensation later." But this situation is starting to unravel, because most guys have figured out that ponzi schemes are hard to win at. Six-or-seven-year FO's still on reserve, anyone?]

 

[pilotyip]

In a word, yes. Because it has historically been those flight instructors lining up to take your job in a heartbeat if you say no to the currently offered compensation, that gives management the upper hand in negotiations.

Persuade those flight instructors that it wouldn't be in their best long term interest to take a job at LowBallJets, and suddenly you have some negotiating power in your current negotiations.

It's the dirty little secret of unionization, but unions exist to artificially inflate wages beyond what the free market would normally command, by creating a monopoly on labor. Bringing the next group of potential pilots into this monopoly is what unions should be focusing on, if the leadership understood why they have succeeded in the past.

[As an aside, unions used to succeed by creating a monopoly on labor, i.e. convincing new pilots not to be ostracized by the word "scab." However, they sold out this strategy by allowing management to create a "B" scale group of pilots--the entire regional pilot group. New guys are now allowed to low-ball the current workers, because the legacy airline pilots are still insulated from the free market. New pilots buy into this because it is a ponzi scheme--"I have artificially low compensation now in exchange for artificially high compensation later." But this situation is starting to unravel, because most guys have figured out that ponzi schemes are hard to win at. Six-or-seven-year FO's still on reserve, anyone?]

So after the CFI's organize, if a guy does Part 61 instructing in his airplane, will he be branded a Scab?

 

[JustaNumber]

So after the CFI's organize, if a guy does Part 61 instructing in his airplane, will he be branded a Scab?

I don't think you understand the concept. The idea would be for ALPA to get the CFI's thinking about the state of the airline industry, not the CFI industry.

 

[Nevets]

They'll probably say they can't afford it, what with executive expenses going up these days.

I've always felt that the only REAL power a union can have is the power to socially ostracize those who don't play ball. Whether it's ethical or not, it has worked in the past. Everyone's heard the stories of how captains would keep scab lists in their hats, and wouldn't so much as say hello to crewmembers on that list. It wasn't so much that this happened that much, it was the FEAR of this happening that kept most pilots from crossing picket lines.

ALPA's biggest tool they could use today would be very similar--start a media campaign to let newbies know what kind of a life they are really in for, and let them know what is and isn't acceptable voting behavior. Most new guys just want to fit in, so this could have a great effect on curbing destructive SJS behavior.

Too bad the current leadership seems to have a severe case of myopia, though, so don't look for any full-page ALPA ads targeting new guys anytime soon.

That's what I've been saying for a long time. But not about crossing picket lines and more so about riding coat tails of those of us who are unionized.

I don't think you understand the concept. The idea would be for ALPA to get the CFI's thinking about the state of the airline industry, not the CFI industry.

ALPA has the infrastructure in place with the national education committee. Too bad that political correctness gets in the way to make it work like you describe.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

ALPA sucks, Teamsters suck worse.

You got that right. If your gonna have a mob organization running your union, at least pick one with some pilots in it.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-23/news/mn-11466_1_organized-crime

 

[SAABaroowski]

Saw it this morning, pretty damn cool if you ask me

 

[acpilot]

I don't think you understand the concept. The idea would be for ALPA to get the CFI's thinking about the state of the airline industry, not the CFI industry.

So if I instruct in my Bo and don't pay dues, am I a scab?

 

[pilotyip]

So if I instruct in my Bo and don't pay dues, am I a scab?

Yes and every time you jumpseat, someone who pull out a list of CFI's who instructed at non-union wags. This would probably include a father who taught his son to fly for free. However if the father is already a dues paying union airline pilot there will be a wavier cause in the contract.

 

[acpilot]

Yes and every time you jumpseat, someone who pull out a list of CFI's who instructed at non-union wags. This would probably include a father who taught his son to fly for free. However if the father is already a dues paying union airline pilot there will be a wavier cause in the contract.

But what if I bill $75/hr? That would likely be higher than union wages. Wouldn't I be helping the cause? In this case, the union should pay ME, right?

 

[jetstream]

ALPA - a, so called union, whose members are fragmented and fight one another for work. An organization in which one group can vote to work for substandard wages which in turn drives wages down for its other members.

ALPA is a dinosaur. Every airline under the SKW umbrella needs to unite and form our own in house union. Can't dump ALPA fast enough!

 

[Nevets]

ALPA - a, so called union, whose members are fragmented and fight one another for work. An organization in which one group can vote to work for substandard wages which in turn drives wages down for its other members.

ALPA is a dinosaur. Every airline under the SKW umbrella needs to unite and form our own in house union. Can't dump ALPA fast enough!

Can't do that until Skywest pilots vote to make SAPA their union and then demand one list in negotiations.