Delta stuck in mud at DCA!!

[canyonblue]

Well, that didn't take long (only 3 posts into it) for some Southwest dickhead to make a stupid comment!

Wow, and I didn't think his sarcasm was that obvious for the Delto geeks.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Well, that didn't take long (only 3 posts into it) for some Southwest dickhead to make a stupid comment!

Trust me, it takes a lot less time than that for some Delta guy to make a comment about Southwest doing something similar. Then it goes for pages and pages about how "dangerous" (said in my best Val Kilmer voice) Southwest's taxi speeds are, and how we're lucky to survive any given day. Particularly when it doesn't have the first thing to do with taxi speed, like this incident.

Grow a thicker skin, Scoot; it was a freakin' joke, and mainly at our own expense at that. At least I didn't make an actual "dickhead comment," like some of you Delta guys have done when it's Southwest. It can, and does, happen to anyone--it just so happens that it's been YOU guys the last three or four times. Jes' sayin'....

Bubba

 

[knightflyer]

Well, what do you have to say on the matter?

Because basically everyone I can think of who I know that has flown or currently flies the thing, says it's a huge piece of crap.

Why wouldn't you want another, say, fifty feet available in the event of a rejected takeoff?

Do the passengers weigh what the W&B says they weigh? Is there actually a bit of a tailwind at midfield between the two anemometers at the ends that say the wind is calm? etc.

I'm just trying to justify how someone thinks grabbing an extra 50 feet of runway is ridiculous, and I can't do it. Help me out here.

I don't have much to say, as I mostly lurk.
I'll tell you the airframe is solid. It ain't no Boeing or any shadow there of. Don't trust it. You can't sleep and expect it to put it where thought it was going to go....

If you're planning on fifty feet...

Winds and weights are in EVERY W&B...

In all actuallity the 88 only really grabs at slow speeds. Mostly below taxi speeds. The 90 will stop on a dime and so will the 88. Just don't expect the SMOOTH breaking ability at slow TAXI speeds.

The 88-90 is a GIANT pain in the ass! It takes a pilot who will screw up inevitably to realize that I'm strapped to an 88-90 and I'm about to get F-----!!!

Hope this helps

 

[DYLIN]

I don't have much to say, as I mostly lurk.
I'll tell you the airframe is solid. It ain't no Boeing or any shadow there of. Don't trust it. You can't sleep and expect it to put it where thought it was going to go....

If you're planning on fifty feet...

Winds and weights are in EVERY W&B...

That's kind of my point.

Winds and weights are in every W&B but it's like the phrase "measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with an axe."

Everything is all calculated just right but when you get out there the real weight of the plane is unknown and the weather may be different from what was on the last ATIS.

After watching an MD-83 pass over the lights at approximately 10 feet AGL a few months ago (taking off 13 at LGA) I have to wonder, why not take the extra 50 feet back at the 'line up and wait' end. If you have to do an RTO, it might make the difference.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Trust me, it takes a lot less time than that for some Delta guy to make a comment about Southwest doing something similar. Then it goes for pages and pages about how "dangerous" (said in my best Val Kilmer voice) Southwest's taxi speeds are, and how we're lucky to survive any given day. Particularly when it doesn't have the first thing to do with taxi speed, like this incident.

Grow a thicker skin, Scoot; it was a freakin' joke, and mainly at our own expense at that. At least I didn't make an actual "dickhead comment," like some of you Delta guys have done when it's Southwest. It can, and does, happen to anyone--it just so happens that it's been YOU guys the last three or four times. Jes' sayin'....

Bubba

isn't it usu a deltoid that starts the threads about swa?

 

[waveflyer]

I'll help you out bubba (I know being a dick is not in your nature)( but its in mine on FI. )

Scoot, lumberg, GL ...oh wait..,GL wouldn't be caught taxiing anything(career FO)(probably career ford and Harrison propagandist, since he won't answer an aviation question to save his life), much less something with a narrower body than his wife- all dalpa-

I know some good republic, and a handful of Skywest guys who can teach you how to taxi and stay out of the mud. Would you like their email addresses.
This is what happens when you sellout most of your domestic departures- basics like ground stops get difficult

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That good enough sellout Scoot to lay off bubba and not get your sensitive feelers all excited?

 

[igneousy2]

Well, what do you have to say on the matter?

Because basically everyone I can think of who I know that has flown or currently flies the thing, says it's a huge piece of crap.

It still may very well be a piece of crap compared to some other jets...but I'll take a Mad Dog anyday over a Guppy.

 

[Tanker Clown]

A lack of professionalism and complete disregard to safety. Sadly, this isn't an isolated incident.

 

[Scoot 11]

I'll help you out bubba (I know being a dick is not in your nature)( but its in mine on FI. )

Scoot, lumberg, GL ...oh wait..,GL wouldn't be caught taxiing anything(career FO)(probably career ford and Harrison propagandist, since he won't answer an aviation question to save his life), much less something with a narrower body than his wife- all dalpa-

I know some good republic, and a handful of Skywest guys who can teach you how to taxi and stay out of the mud. Would you like their email addresses.
This is what happens when you sellout most of your domestic departures- basics like ground stops get difficult

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That good enough sellout Scoot to lay off bubba and not get your sensitive feelers all excited?

Nice try you PFT troll! Keep updating your app for Delta. In the meantime, enjoy flying with former Air Tran guys who didn't have to buy their job at SW! At least they'll keep you from runway overshoots you guys have become so good at!

 

[WSurf]

After watching an MD-83 pass over the lights at approximately 10 feet AGL a few months ago (taking off 13 at LGA) I have to wonder, why not take the extra 50 feet back at the 'line up and wait' end. If you have to do an RTO, it might make the difference.

If your numbers are right then you should be able to abort before V1 and stop your plane. Any speed after V1 you better fly that dog!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtesM5pRIE

 

[DYLIN]

If your numbers are right then you should be able to abort before V1 and stop your plane. Any speed after V1 you better fly that dog!!!

Well, of course.

I think we all know what V1 is.

My point, which you may have misunderstood, is that you don't know how accurate the numbers are and why not use all available runway.

 

[say again]

Nice try you PFT troll! Keep updating your app for Delta. In the meantime, enjoy flying with former Air Tran guys who didn't have to buy their job at SW! At least they'll keep you from runway overshoots you guys have become so good at!

Another lame PFT post! Get some new material bud, yours is quite old. :beer:

 

[WSurf]

Well, of course.

I think we all know what V1 is.

My point, which you may have misunderstood, is that you don't know how accurate the numbers are and why not use all available runway.

Then you would know those numbers are conservative and not based in using reverse if you abort before V1. I hear a bunch of Md80's are running off runways during take offs also

 

[no1pilot2000]

Mud happens!

 

[WSurf]

Gotta get alittle mud on your tires!

 

[outerlimits]

Nice try you PFT troll! Keep updating your app for Delta. In the meantime, enjoy flying with former Air Tran guys who didn't have to buy their job at SW! At least they'll keep you from runway overshoots you guys have become so good at!

I am guessing your not a SWA Pilot.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

They could have benefited from doing the ever so made fun of "747" turn.

The 88 and 90 have a loooong wheel base.

 

[jetflier]

They could have benefited from doing the ever so made fun of "747" turn.

The 88 and 90 have a loooong wheel base.

It's sooo long, that when "position and hold", extending the nose to the runway edge, then using full tiller to bring it back around on to the centerline, isn't enough. You will find that you are still not on the centerline when you roll out.

And you want as much concrete as possible, especially during a flaps 5 takeoff!

 

[WSurf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoGeKdNxH4U

 

[180ToTheMarker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoGeKdNxH4U

I think I've flown with that captain. Twice