Live Smartpref overated?

[FightingIrish]

Here is a complaint from a LXJT pilot on the "crackpipe". Sounds like that live bidding is all it's cracked up to be.

"So I go thru all the online material, met with someone from the union that helped me set up a bid. Sit here for over an hour just viewing the changes. And still get sh*t. One minute before the bid closes, my bid looks good then it closes and reduces me to 12 days off and some crap trips. What the F, how can it look good one minute before it closes and then turns to crap. I seriously doubt everyone made changes one minute before it closed. Crew planning has given better schedules, and I wasn't bidding at the complete bottom. If your not bidding in the top five to ten, its f-ing pointless to put a bid in. What a waste of time

PBS for initial window never" ​

 

[hou757]

Interesting you did not post the other responses to this..

 

[Nevets]

There was one person that said his final line was different from the last one he saw on smartpref before it closed. Fact is that, just like your prelim, the line you see is not guaranteed. Most of the other people got what they wanted. There will ALWAYS be people that don't get what they want. That's called juniority. It happens in ALL bidding systems, even line bidding. The biggest aspect of this is being able to see what different strategies will give you at your seniority, it will let you know if you accidentally bid wrong, it will let you know what you can hold at your seniority. If that doesn't sound like information you would like to have, guess what? THEN DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT!

 

[ASADriver]

This is why we like having multiple bid sheets. This live bidding thing isn't a guarantee. It also sounds like globalization got this guy. No thanks.

 

[Nevets]

This is why we like having multiple bid sheets. This live bidding thing isn't a guarantee. It also sounds like globalization got this guy. No thanks.

Honest question here: how do you know that when the original bid is solved that your line didn't have 15 days off with the types of trips you wanted but then the final bid, after it being solved over and over again by the union, company, sort bias, threshold manipulation, unstacking, coin toss, etc, it only has 12 days off with only half the trips being the kind you wanted? Just as an example.

 

[ASADriver]

Honest question here: how do you know that when the original bid is solved that your line didn't have 15 days off with the types of trips you wanted but then the final bid, after it being solved over and over again by the union, company, sort bias, threshold manipulation, unstacking, coin toss, etc, it only has 12 days off with only half the trips being the kind you wanted? Just as an example.

There is a very detailed audit report that is several pages long explaining why you did and didn't get what you bid.

 

[Nevets]

There is a very detailed audit report that is several pages long explaining why you did and didn't get what you bid.

But does it just explain the last run that the company and union agreed to go with or all of them they went through? That doesn't really answer my question anyway.

What I want to know is how do you know if the original solution was better for you, or the second, or seventeenth one was better but the last one they decided to with wasn't as good?

 

[ASADriver]

But does it just explain the last run that the company and union agreed to go with or all of them they went through? That doesn't really answer my question anyway.

What I want to know is how do you know if the original solution was better for you, or the second, or seventeenth one was better but the last one they decided to with wasn't as good?

Because they can't raise the bottom of the window that is published with the bid packet. They can only lower it further if they want. Therefor, if you want max days off, they can't change anything that would cause you to end up with fewer days off.

Sounds like you guys really don't understand our system after all.

 

[Nevets]

Because they can't raise the bottom of the window that is published with the bid packet. They can only lower it further if they want. Therefor, if you want max days off, they can't change anything that would cause you to end up with fewer days off.

Sounds like you guys really don't understand our system after all.

Which is PRECISELY why I used the phrase, "as an example." So let me give you another example then. What if you wanted to maximize your pay by working as many days as possible or maybe you just want to build that magical 1000 TPIC ASAP, so you are saying that they can lower the bottom of the window for EVERYONE (socializing or in other words, not seniority based) and now you are flying less hours than you would've been?

Regardless, it STILL doesn't answer my question. How do you know if your had a better or worse schedule in one of the previous solutions the company or union threw out?

Don't get caught up in the example now, ok. Its just to illustrate the question.

 

[ace6453]

which is precisely why i used the phrase, "as an example." so let me give you another example then. What if you wanted to maximize your pay by working as many days as possible or maybe you just want to build that magical 1000 tpic asap, so you are saying that they can lower the bottom of the window for everyone (socializing or in other words, not seniority based) and now you are flying less hours than you would've been?

this is not true. The company may lower the bottom of the window, but the top does not move. Nothing is being socialized by this.

regardless, it still doesn't answer my question. How do you know if your had a better or worse schedule in one of the previous solutions the company or union threw out?

you never know how many bid runs they did for your position. The audit trail you receive is only for the final run.

don't get caught up in the example now, ok. Its just to illustrate the question.

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